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littlebabyjesus said:
This is the man who mocked John McCain for getting captured in Vietnam, remember. (How the fuck did he survive that, btw?!!!) Disrespecting some memorial is pretty small beer really.
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And dissing the Gold Star family, too. Don't think he'd have got quite such a pass on that one if they'd been white and Christian, though.
 
CRI said:
Yes - you could tell from the clip showing the backs of people in the audience that they weren't applauding. He was speaking in front of a memorial to fallen members of the intelligence service - a place not given to applause.

He had his own entourage there to clap at is first "press conference" after winning as well - the one with the empty folders "showing" he'd divested his business interests, and the one where he didn't take any questions, that one.

Ah bless, but even though he showed disrespect for the CIA, he blew a kiss to FBI Director James Comey. Credit where credit is due I suppose. How sweet.

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Trumps disrespect for the CIA is one of his better qualities in my opinion, I consider the CIA half think-tank, half terrorist organization. We should dwell more on the bad and fucked-up things he's into.
 
This would be hilarious, if it wasn't so weird. And, only the bottom part was real cake. The rest was polystyrene!

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littlebabyjesus said:
This is the man who mocked John McCain for getting captured in Vietnam, remember. (How the fuck did he survive that, btw?!!!) Disrespecting some memorial is pretty small beer really.
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See... slagging off notorious crazed war-pig John McCain, who was shot down during the course of his job napalming villagers or something... I know that wasn't Trumps point but we really do need to stick to the things that make Trump un-sympathetic.
 
J Ed said:
McCain is a total loser, Trump was right.
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It's not about whether or not McCain is a loser. Imagine Simon Weston criticised some politician here and the politician's response was to mock his great big scar face and tell him he should have avoided the blast. It's not even an exaggeration to make that comparison. It's jaw-droppingly staggering that he wasn't forced to quit the race the next day.
 
camouflage said:
Trumps disrespect for the CIA is one of his better qualities in my opinion, I consider the CIA half think-tank, half terrorist organization. We should dwell more on the bad and fucked-up things he's into.
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I'm not a fan of anything connected with the military, although my niece and 3 of my nephews have or are serving. Thing is, most countries more or less have to have some kind of intelligence service. In theory, at least, there is some accountability structure in the CIA. I stress the "in theory" part. Plenty of examples where they did ghastly things at the behest of the Government, so no, I'm not painting them as blameless. Thing is, I can't say I'm enthused by the POTUS having his own private security service and intelligence service. Not even pretending to have any kind of accountability.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It's not about whether or not McCain is a loser. Imagine Simon Weston criticised some politician here and the politician's response was to mock his great big scar face and tell him he should have avoided the blast. It's not even an exaggeration to make that comparison. It's jaw-droppingly staggering that he wasn't force to quit the race the next day.
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Richard Seymour did do that and it wasn't great. As for McCain, I don't give a shit. He is a total loser and a war criminal whose main problem with Trump is that his desire to commit war crimes isn't expansive enough. The fact that Americans don't care about McCain being called a loser by Trump is endearing and gives me a bit of hope tbh.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It's not about whether or not McCain is a loser. Imagine Simon Weston criticised some politician here and the politician's response was to mock his great big scar face and tell him he should have avoided the blast. It's not even an exaggeration to make that comparison. It's jaw-droppingly staggering that he wasn't forced to quit the race the next day.
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A lot of Americans are alright, they probably thought "well... it's John McCain, fuck it, allow it". Fair play.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It's not about whether or not McCain is a loser. Imagine Simon Weston criticised some politician here and the politician's response was to mock his great big scar face and tell him he should have avoided the blast. It's not even an exaggeration to make that comparison. It's jaw-droppingly staggering that he wasn't force to quit the race the next day.
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This - yes. When I cite these examples, it's not because I have time for McCain or the shitty stuff CIA operatives have done. It's that these things (e.g. families of service men and women who've died on duty, veterens who were POWs, intelligence officers who died in the line of duty, etc.) are generally sacred cows when it comes to Americans - especially Republicans / those generally on the right. I'm still having trouble wrapping my head round how Trump is doing this now, seemingly with the blessing of folks who would have eviscerated any other politician doing the same.
 
J Ed said:
Richard Seymour did do that and it wasn't great. As for McCain, I don't give a shit. He is a total loser and a war criminal whose main problem with Trump is that his desire to commit war crimes isn't expansive enough. The fact that Americans don't care about McCain being called a loser by Trump is endearing and gives me a bit of hope tbh.
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I don't give a shit about McCain either. I was simply commenting on the staggering fact that Trump got away with it.

Don't agree though about the idea that Americans don't care being either endearing or giving me a bit of hope. My opinion of the Falklands War is that the task force should not have been sent. Doesn't mean I think it's ok to mock veterans over their war experiences. Don't care who they are, that's fucking nasty.
 
CRI said:
I'm not a fan of anything connected with the military, although my niece and 3 of my nephews have or are serving. Thing is, most countries more or less have to have some kind of intelligence service. In theory, at least, there is some accountability structure in the CIA. I stress the "in theory" part. Plenty of examples where they did ghastly things at the behest of the Government, so no, I'm not painting them as blameless. Thing is, I can't say I'm enthused by the POTUS having his own private security service and intelligence service. Not even pretending to have any kind of accountability.
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I'm ok with the POTUS having his own security apparatus, it'd definitely have less reach and be less of a black-budgeted state within a state. Also it wouldn't sit there watching Presidents come and go with the basilisk eyes of a long dead Dulles brother, so how deep could the tentacles of such an organization reach? Not as terrifyingly deep imo.
 
CRI said:
This - yes. When I cite these examples, it's not because I have time for McCain or the shitty stuff CIA operatives have done. It's that these things (e.g. families of service men and women who've died on duty, veterens who were POWs, intelligence officers who died in the line of duty, etc.) are generally sacred cows when it comes to Americans - especially Republicans / those generally on the right. I'm still having trouble wrapping my head round how Trump is doing this now, seemingly with the blessing of folks who would have eviscerated any other politician doing the same.
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The same folks who love to refer to the president as 'the commander in chief'. Yep, I'm with you on this, I don't get that. There's some serious cognitive dissonance going on here.
 
Kellyanne Conway on ABC News' 'This Week', yesterday:
CONWAY: The president went to the intelligence community yesterday to establish good relationships with them. And we had over 1,000 requests to attend. We could only accommodate a few hundred.

He will be back. He got a standing ovation. And it’s really time for him to put in his own security intelligence community.
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Transcript.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The same folks who love to refer to the president as 'the commander in chief'. Yep, I'm with you on this, I don't get that. There's some serious cognitive dissonance going on here.
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A common thread among people who voted for him is they tend to see themselves as victims in some way, even though they aren't generally the people who are worst off in relation to the economy or crime, say. He got support across the socio-economic scale. The other common thread is his supporters are predominately white, and many blame immigrants, Black people generally, non-Christians and foreign countries for their ills. He's made wild promises that he'll make them feel good again by fixing those problems.

Team Trump is also continuing efforts to discredit and undermine anyone and anything that's potentially in their way with their "alternative facts." It didn't take much for Gold Star family the Khans to shift from parents of patriot to "just like any other despicable Muslims." He's tapped into and nurtured the white supremacist tendancies that have been there all along.
 
camouflage said:
It'd be very clever of Trump right now to pick up on this, as much of a risk as it was for Bernie to reach out.
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Don't honestly think there's that much fresh air between some die hard Sanders supporters and faithful Trump supporters. I'm seeing a lot of Bernie supporters still huffing and puffing about Hilary Clinton "stealing" the nomination and parroting a lot of the same guff I see from Trump fans. If they were really that bothered about the direction Trump is taking, they'd surely let that shit go and back the people who are standing up to Trump, like Congressman John Lewis and Congresswoman Maxine Waters, or doing SOMETHING to make their opposition obvious.
 
2hats said:
Turns out the folks whooping and applauding him during his ramblings speech at the CIA the other day were people he brought with him as part of his entourage.
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Well the always clappy entourage is plainly going to be part of the Trump's Gulf royal style progress amongst the commoners. If you've got it baby flaunt it.

That said I'm sure you could find a few thousand Trump supporters at Langley. Establishment Republicans are the recruiting base and lets face it the agency has a reputation for moral flexibility when career opportunities loom. There was the odd gasp in the recording when Trump transgressed in front of that memorial wall but it may just have been alt-right campaign staffers fainting in ecstasy rather than pissed off civil servants risking an early retirement.
 
CRI said:
Don't honestly think there's that much fresh air between some die hard Sanders supporters and faithful Trump supporters. I'm seeing a lot of Bernie supporters still huffing and puffing about Hilary Clinton "stealing" the nomination and parroting a lot of the same guff I see from Trump fans. If they were really that bothered about the direction Trump is taking, they'd surely let that shit go and back the people who are standing up to Trump, like Congressman John Lewis and Congresswoman Maxine Waters, or doing SOMETHING to make their opposition obvious.
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Why should they be opposed if they have objectives in common? Better off forming an alliance of sorts.
 
Pickman's model said:
this nonsense is going to get very dull very quickly, if he's the biggest, best, most covered president, blah blah fucking blah.

drop the twat in a working class pub and let's see how his boorish bragging goes down. sadly we know how it would go down in a yuppie establishment.
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Every pub has a Trump, but now we look at them wondering, 'fuckinell'could she/he.........
 
camouflage said:
Why should they be opposed if they have objectives in common? Better off forming an alliance of sorts.
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I suppose there are plenty of examples of groups with different ideologies uniting on the things they do agree on - e.g. Sinn Fein and DUP opposition to abortion in Northern Ireland.

I suppose there are also plenty of examples of groups with differing ideologies uniting to support an authoritarian state, where they think it will be beneficial to their interests.
 
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