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hot air baboon said:
...not sure about the Watergate comparison...one precedent is the Iranian October Surprise where Reagan's GOP team was conspiring with the Ayatollah's to delay release of US hostages until after Carter had been defeated......I presume the underlying supposition over the Russian links is implying a similar you-scracth-my-back arrangement over electoral favours in return for a "deal" over sanctions &/or Ukraine...

I can't remember what the fall-out from the Iran business was ( let alone Iran-Contra ) but it certainly didn't involve Reagan being led away in handcuffs at any stage for high crimes and misdemeanours...

...what I find near to unfathomable is that Flynn former head of military intelligence agency would discuss that over a phone to a Russian official - or even experienced dirty-tricks operatives like Manafort or an ex intelligence agent Carter Page...

fwiw my go to guy on Kremlin related shenanigans Mark Galeotti doesn't seem to think this adds up to much
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There's also Nixon conspiring to keep the war in Vietnam going to get elected in 1968:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?_r=0
 
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littlebabyjesus said:
I suspect you are right. However, he has such spectacularly bad judgement that I can see him fucking it anyway. I actually think he is 'innocent' in lots of ways - that he doesn't really understand much of the shit going on around him. But all that shit just made him pres, so he must be great – that bit I think he believes entirely.
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Well Bush II was far better prepared and had his dad's heavyweight team around him and a relatively decent economy to start with. He slashed elite taxes and preceded to spend like drunken sailor. Then he invaded the wrong country. He still got four more years even though it looked like a shit storm. And then the economic bubble burst and it all crashed horribly requiring a bailout that he handed over to Obama. An event that Bush voters would come to blame largely on the incumbent.

On the other hand Bush I easily won a war in Kuwait with the Iraqis and extracted the US without getting entangled. However being fiscally responsible he raised taxes against a promise he'd made and also pissed off the Israelis. He ended up a one term President.

I suspect Trump's Presidency will be more like the son's than the Poppy Bush's. Trumpski's always been a lucky bastard.
 
Trump's speech at this press conference w Netanyahu: he is reading from notes, very controlled, measured, haven't seen him do that before.
 
CrabbedOne said:
I also suspect he's innocent of any real collusion with the Russians just naively believes making nice with a Putin he admires might work. He is basically just a big drama queen who likes provocative posing that draws the spotlight. His team on the other hand is rather suspect but he's just really lazy about vetting people.
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I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. It's claimed that senior people in his campaign team were in regular contact with Moscow/the Russian embassy. It may or may not be true but, if it is, there must have been some sort of substance to those contacts. It's implausible that his team is expending time an energy in the closing stages of the election campaign with calls to the Russians that were just about saying hi.
 
bimble said:
Trump's speech at this press conference w Netanyahu: he is reading from notes, very controlled, measured, haven't seen him do that before.
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You will see this most of the time when he meets foreign leaders - it was the same when May met him. These prepared remarks stand out more with him than other presidents because there is such a contrast between his wooden performance during this part of the show and how he is when answering questions and rambling on about himself and his perceived enemies.
 
Raheem said:
I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. It's claimed that senior people in his campaign team were in regular contact with Moscow/the Russian embassy. It may or may not be true but, if it is, there must have been some sort of substance to those contacts. It's implausible that his team is expending time an energy in the closing stages of the election campaign with calls to the Russians that were just about saying hi.
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Yeah but to get trump, you have to have trump himself linked to it, I would think. The comparisons with Reagan are pertinent here - stuff done in his name, no matter how appalling or treasonous, including stuff done to get him elected, didn't bring him down because he couldnt be directly implicated.

Watergate brought down Nixon not because what he did was particularly remarkable in its heinousness but because he was caught red-handed.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Yeah but to get trump, you have to have trump himself linked to it, I would think. The comparisons with Reagan are pertinent here - stuff done in his name, no matter how appalling or treasonous, including stuff done to get him elected, didn't bring him down because he couldnt be directly implicated.

Watergate brought down Nixon not because what he did was particularly remarkable in its heinousness but because he was caught red-handed.
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Yeah, Trump might not end up on the hook, although there's an important difference between him and Reagan. Reagan was not really reckless, and he had an a disciplined team and people more widely had his back.

It's a slightly different question, though. CrabbedOne was saying that Trump looked innocent to him, not simply that nothing would stick.
 
Raheem said:
Yeah, Trump might not end up on the hook, although there's an important difference between him and Reagan. Reagan was not really reckless, and he had an a disciplined team and people more widely had his back.

It's a slightly different question, though. CrabbedOne was saying that Trump looked innocent to him, not simply that nothing would stick.
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Yeah, I'm not sure either way on that one. Looking back at Watergate, Nixon seems impossibly naive by today's standards. I think Trump's an idiot, but not that kind of idiot, sadly. I hope I'm wrong.
 
elbows said:
You will see this most of the time when he meets foreign leaders - it was the same when May met him. These prepared remarks stand out more with him than other presidents because there is such a contrast between his wooden performance during this part of the show and how he is when answering questions and rambling on about himself and his perceived enemies.
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Spot on. The whole thing was horrible to watch but the trump responding to questions is the Trump we have come to know:
Asked if he's concerned about increasing racism and division he responded with what a massive victory his election was, the numbers he won by etc. Said there's going to a lot of love though, a lot of love.
Netanyahu arguably more disgusting, saying 'there is no better friend to the jewish people than donald trump'.
 
hot air baboon said:
well quite - pretty much business as usual :facepalm:
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I know this is a naive hope, but I'd like to hope that having two or three Presidents (depending on how this Trump thing with Russia comes down), that are traitors to the country isn't business as usual. It could mean that there hasn't been a legitimately elected Republican President in almost a century.
 
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CrabbedOne said:

Russia should return Crimea??? It's not from Trumpski's own tiny mouth but this is almost a criticism of Russia.

Somebody should check if there's an empty alien pod in the Rose Garden.
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Is he on the booze? Drugs..on tonight's news he seemed to be both, rambling incoherence is putting it mildly?
 
No comment on the "Bibi" press conference? Right and Far Right Israeli's are delighted by the news, and the state dept is ringing the WH trying to get clarification as to whether the US are about to abandon a 2 state solution.

The destruction of the Palestinian state is possibly the only thing that could unify much of region against Israeli in an all out war.
 
Reiabuzz said:
This whole thing is fucking brilliant (the Trump presidency that is)

Every morning is another lol. Fuck Obama and his sane, measured, competent administration. This is far better.
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What the fuck was that bang........nice sunrise ......eh,what, at two in the mor..........
 
8den said:
No comment on the "Bibi" press conference? Right and Far Right Israeli's are delighted by the news, and the state dept is ringing the WH trying to get clarification as to whether the US are about to abandon a 2 state solution.

The destruction of the Palestinian state is possibly the only thing that could unify much of region against Israeli in an all out war.
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Couldn't have turned out better for him, could it? Unless Trump genuinely hasn't a clue what the solution is... the other thing were the American questions were from conservative news organs... and he had to mention the "fake media" again...
 
not-bono-ever said:
As much as there is glee amongst the anti Trump legions at this bumbling farce of a POTUS,I think it will take something monumental to get Chump out of office. Not because he is stubborn and ignorant - he is - but anyone with an interest in getting the incumbent out needs to think about plan B. Chump will have to be so systematically devalued and utterly socially irradiated, that he will be unable & unwilling to stand on the sidelines and snipe away on social media after he has departed. From a Washington perspective, he needs to be send up to wooden hill to Bedfordshire, loaded with seddies & calpol, tucked up with a hot water bottle and never heard from again
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Nice parade, old fashioned rifle, disposable asset, just trying to be original, yi knaa-;)
 
newbie said:
like any good reality show it switches from farce to tragedy in an eyeblink and loses key players before their character has properly developed or crumbled. It's obviously missing Davina for the excrutiating exit interview, but what it really needs is love interest and the occasional wildcard... hey look, here comes Netanyahu
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Bimbi perleeeeese, Yuglely big friend of mine, like me, the greatest statesman, that is we have made two states into one state, ain't that right Flynn
 
i do wonder about the average trump supporter hearing about how badly someone was treated after illegally leaked information was reported by the press


that he had illegally talked to Russia about sanctions

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