Think that’s your reading that their similar cases because the people look similar.
If I remember correctly the majority thought LW was innocent rather than guilty in LL case.
The Trial of Lucy Letby
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If I remember correctly the majority thought LW was innocent rather than guilty in LL case.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
which matters not a jot
It does when trying say they’re similar cases.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No it doesn't. What 'the majority' think based on the partial reporting of the case has no bearing on the matter at all, attention or otherwise
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I'd have thought the biggest difference was that Woodward was responsible for the death just not of murder. If letby is not guilty then she is in no way responsible for the deaths.
editor
hiraethified
Maybe my desire for the legal system to be fair and working clouded my thinking, but this is pretty much where I am on this issue now:
Lucy Letby: Questions grow in debate on killer's convictions
A number of experts are raising concerns about evidence presented in the neonatal nurse's trials.
www.bbc.co.uk
Think you’re missing my point
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you have a point it is trivial and superficial
Okay - apologies. The cases are indeed identical….
freshapple
Active Member
I think it’s the not understanding statistics that has clouded the thinking
Maybe my desire for the legal system to be fair and working clouded my thinking, but this is pretty much where I am on this issue now:
Lucy Letby: Questions grow in debate on killer's convictions
A number of experts are raising concerns about evidence presented in the neonatal nurse's trials.www.bbc.co.uk
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tofu eating wokerati
They had BBC correspondent Dominc Casciani on WatO today deriding the 'conspiracy theories' suggesting Letby was innocent. He was supporting the prosecution and denied they depended at all on statistics. His demolition sounded less convincing once he started on the Court of Appeal case, which was basically saying you can't appeal on the basis that your original defence was rubbish and here are the arguments they failed to adduce in your support.
Package - fairly good overview - starts at 25.41
Casciani starts around 32.50
www.bbc.co.uk
I don't know if she was guilty or not but have no confidence in the conviction and even less confidence in the ability of Countess of Chester Hospital to keep vulnerable babies safe.
Package - fairly good overview - starts at 25.41
Casciani starts around 32.50
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I don't know if she was guilty or not but have no confidence in the conviction and even less confidence in the ability of Countess of Chester Hospital to keep vulnerable babies safe.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
One of the many things that bothers me about this case is that none of the babies' deaths was considered suspect at the time. They were all very ill or frail. The hospital handled such cases poorly and then had the most serious neonatal cases removed from their care after Letby's conviction.
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What a bizarre response from the BBC correspondent! Especially as the piece was about the remit of the enquiry starting next week which he didn’t even touch on.They had BBC correspondent Dominc Casciani on WatO today deriding the 'conspiracy theories' suggesting Letby was innocent. He was supporting the prosecution and denied they depended at all on statistics. His demolition sounded less convincing once he started on the Court of Appeal case, which was basically saying you can't appeal on the basis that your original defence was rubbish and here are the arguments they failed to adduce in your support.
Package - fairly good overview - starts at 25.41
Casciani starts around 32.50
World at One - Keir Starmer considers a smoking ban in some outside spaces - BBC Sounds
We look at the impact a smoking ban in pub gardens could have on the hospitality sector.
I don't know if she was guilty or not but have no confidence in the conviction and even less confidence in the ability of Countess of Chester Hospital to keep vulnerable babies safe.
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Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Drawing a parallel to Mike Lynch isn't the way to start making me think he's onto something, even if the rest of it is perfectly sensible. Lynch was just lucky that HP failed their own due diligence in recognising that he'd cooked the books, and was probably going to lose his civil case in the UK.Maybe my desire for the legal system to be fair and working clouded my thinking, but this is pretty much where I am on this issue now:
Lucy Letby: Questions grow in debate on killer's convictions
A number of experts are raising concerns about evidence presented in the neonatal nurse's trials.www.bbc.co.uk
ETA: Basically pinned it all on his CFO, who was sent down for 5 years, by being clever enough to destroy the paperwork tying it to him. Ex board members would quite openly admit he was in on it, but difficulty getting them to say it in a courtroom and having no material evidence saved him. The jurors apparently did struggle with the notion of the CEO not having a clue his CFO was engaged in massive fraud, but there just wasn't enough there to convict. The civil suit was a different charge, with different standards of evidence, and it looked pretty bad for him.
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They had BBC correspondent Dominc Casciani on WatO today deriding the 'conspiracy theories' suggesting Letby was innocent. He was supporting the prosecution and denied they depended at all on statistics. His demolition sounded less convincing once he started on the Court of Appeal case, which was basically saying you can't appeal on the basis that your original defence was rubbish and here are the arguments they failed to adduce in your support.
Package - fairly good overview - starts at 25.41
Casciani starts around 32.50
World at One - Keir Starmer considers a smoking ban in some outside spaces - BBC Sounds
We look at the impact a smoking ban in pub gardens could have on the hospitality sector.
I don't know if she was guilty or not but have no confidence in the conviction and even less confidence in the ability of Countess of Chester Hospital to keep vulnerable babies safe.
Surely that is true, that you can't appeal based on the fact that your defence didn't use what was available to them at the time.
Perhaps I was being over delicate. The point I was making is not that she's blonde but that she is white.
But my main point - and I don't want to be controversial or confrontational here - is that there are many, many current cases where there have been miscarriages of justice and have not received anything like the attention of either the LW or LL cases.
Private Eye is currently focusing a lot on the LL case but in its 15 August edition has a separate Miscarriages of Justice section that draws attention to this report, which is well worth a look:
All party parliamentary group on Miscarriages of Justice
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Yes, it is true, otherwise the courts would be clogged with such cases (or at least, claims that the defence was inadequate). It doesn't mean the outcome is just, though, if you have a rubbish brief.
maomao
普費斯
More doubts about the so-called confessions. Her conviction is looking stinkier and stinkier.
www.theguardian.com
‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors
Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say
Yeah, anybody that has any familiarity with these kind of things has been saying since the start that thoughts written in journals are meaningless as so-called evidence. Knowing that they were written as part of therapy just turns that up to 11.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
that's dodgy as fuck that's right up there with the " honey trap" to catch Colin Stagg. Target fixation nobody stood back and realised there wasn't actually a murder. A detective once told me how he turned up at the scene of a suspicious death the whole SOCO murder scene was getting going and he thought for a bit and spotted the poor sod had cut himself in the kitchen staggered to his armchair tried to Phone for help but bled out before help arrived
. no murder pack up go home.
. no murder pack up go home.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And it goes on... Lucy Letby changes legal team and plans fresh appeal - new lawyer
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
See Bahnhof Strasse post above
This doesn't inspire confidence in the verdict.
www.theguardian.com
A superbug, doctor shortages and a neonatal unit ‘out of its depth’: failures at Lucy Letby hospital revealed
As the Thirwall hearings approach, the Guardian has discovered concerns were repeatedly raised about alarming shortcomings at Countess of Chester
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You don't need to be wholly persuaded of her innocence
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
If they're reasonable doubts you'd have to find her not guilty.
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
I also have doubts about the doubts since I wasn't at the trial for the whole 10 months (which seems to be the main argument for trusting the courts)
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