the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[DexterTCN]

This is key. He had to be dead for this to be discussed openly. Why?...

Without getting tinfoilhattery, one of the accounts regarding him taking a young girl back to his house with the permission of the police had him saying something along the lines of 'ha! I'd take half the police around here down with me if that happened' in response to a female police officer questioning it. Don't have the link, I read it on one of these threads.

 

[discokermit]

Your making shit up(Maybe he got off on shagging women who were so incapacitated by their disability they couldn't fight back as well as children.) not me.

http://news.sky.com/story/995919/jimmy-savile-molested-brain-damaged-patient

 

[Lock&Light]

Is telling people what you're like the only way anyone knows anything about you?

No, but I see no reason to suppose that JS's family had any more insight into his true character than all the millions who were also misled.

 

[trashpony]

Wilf thought the person was a child who was told to pretend to be asleep. She wasn't, she was 28 when she was in hospital as a patient and told to pretend to be asleep.
Nicky Campbell asked her "How old was you when this happened" The caller said I was 28. Is this clear?

Two people on here thought the person was a child, I pointed out she wasn't, she was a grown up who overheard the conversation.

I don't listen to the Nicky Campbell show. Was she a patient who was told to be asleep (as your first post implied) or someone who overheard the conversation? And if she wasn't actually part of the conversation, what on earth is the relevance that she was 28 when she heard it?

 

[discokermit]

No, but I see no reason to suppose that JS's family had any more insight into his true character than all the millions who were also misled.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...his-name-and-give-money-to-abuse-victims.html

"This weekend his nephew Guy Marsden reportedly said that at the age of 13 he was taken to parties at which men abused children as young as 10."

 

[Lock&Light]

"This weekend his nephew Guy Marsden reportedly said that at the age of 13 he was taken to parties at which men abused children as young as 10."

Now I do have reason to suppose that one of JS's nephews did have more insight. "It is reported", however, is hardly the clincher you so clearly think it is.

 

[tufty79]

"It is reported", however, is hardly the clincher you so clearly think it is.

would actual quotes be more helpful?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...parties-Nephew-tells-childhood-stolen-13.html

 

[discokermit]

Now I do have reason to suppose that one of JS's nephews did have more insight. "It is reported", however, is hardly the clincher you so clearly think it is.

i didn't even pass comment, let alone think it was a "clincher".

however i did read an article where the nephew said he told his family and was shunned because of it.* also i think the way the family has stopped protesting his innocence and took the headstone down pretty sharpish could be quite telling.

*can't find article now though.

 

[Lock&Light]

would actual quotes be more helpful?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...parties-Nephew-tells-childhood-stolen-13.html

I never believe anything published by the Daily Mail. (Doesn't mean it can't be true, however)

 

[Gingerman]

Am I the only cynic who think that the reason his family removed his headstone wasn't 'out of respect for the victims' as was alleged but because they didn't want it defaced?

Read earlier in the Evening Standard that according to his nephew, most of the family were against the headstone, thought it was a terrible idea and in bad taste, and only two of them were insistent about it. He also said that he and a lot of the family went along with the big hooha over his funeral but knew it was only a matter of time before the shit hit the fan.

 

[Maltin]

This is key. He had to be dead for this to be discussed openly. Why was that. What can stop those circumstances developing again.

also important to prevent this being seen through narrow lens of a
' 70s problem'. The omerta only ended last week.

I found it interesting to hear a recording of an Irish journalist really push him on the issue in an old interview played on 5live earlier. Something no UK journalist ever seemed to have done.

[Edited to sound less swanky.]

i'm not sure he really pushed him on it, but Louis Theroux did raise the subject with him.

Quite interesting reading some of the quotes from the show

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304938/quotes

 

[where to]

Interesting, it sounds from the quotes and with hindsight that he got Theroux's address, somehow, and left it lying for him to find.

A threat, in other words.

 

[DexterTCN]

Louis Theroux: Now, why you written my name and address on this pad?
Jimmy Savile: Because I never knew whether you existed or not, you see, and somebody gave me the address and I thought, well if he doesn't exist, shall I send round some of my lads with strong sicilian accents to speak with him?
Louis Theroux: [giggling] To break my legs?
Jimmy Savile: No, no, no, no, just to speak with you.
Louis Theroux: How did you get the address?
Jimmy Savile: I'll get anything, me.
Louis Theroux: How did you get it though?
Jimmy Savile: I can get anything. There's nothing I can't get, and there's nothing I can't do.
[Louis, amused by his eccentric personality, turns to his camera crew and raises his eyebrows]
Jimmy Savile: Thank you. Don't worry, it's safe with me.
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Very much a threat.

 

[editor]

Very much a threat.

That absolutely reads as a threat. Nasty.

 

[twentythreedom]

There's a distinct whiff of veiled menace and threats in a lot of the stories about JS. Nasty stuff.

 

[juice_terry]

Like I assume a lot of other people I feel guilty about Savile (not that I knew anything other than gossip) at this stage can we totally ignore the gossip about gangland connections and necrophilia?

I forget what book it is in, but Irvine Welsh had a character who was a noted DJ from the 70's era who was a benefactor for the hospital in the story and in return for his generous donations a blind eye was turned to what he got up to in the mortuary with the recently deceased.. I remember my dad saying to me at the time that it was based on Savile.. will try and remember what story it was in, one of his short stories I think.

 

[smokedout]

i'm not sure he really pushed him on it, but Louis Theroux did raise the subject with him.

Quite interesting reading some of the quotes from the show

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304938/quotes

When Louis Met Jimmy:

worth watching, fucking creepy and one of the best things theroux's done by a mile

 

[juice_terry]

I forget what book it is in, but Irvine Welsh had a character who was a noted DJ from the 70's era who was a benefactor for the hospital in the story and in return for his generous donations a blind eye was turned to what he got up to in the mortuary with the recently deceased.. I remember my dad saying to me at the time that it was based on Savile.. will try and remember what story it was in, one of his short stories I think.

Jut remembered it was the character "Freddy Royle" in the story "Lorraine goes to Livingstone" In ecstasy ..

 

[discokermit]

I forget what book it is in, but Irvine Welsh had a character who was a noted DJ from the 70's era who was a benefactor for the hospital in the story and in return for his generous donations a blind eye was turned to what he got up to in the mortuary with the recently deceased.. I remember my dad saying to me at the time that it was based on Savile.. will try and remember what story it was in, one of his short stories I think.

ecstasy.


whoops. too slow.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Without getting tinfoilhattery, one of the accounts regarding him taking a young girl back to his house with the permission of the police had him saying something along the lines of 'ha! I'd take half the police around here down with me if that happened' in response to a female police officer questioning it. Don't have the link, I read it on one of these threads.

The amount of people who "knew all along" about behaviour in a certain milieu seems staggering. So why wasn't it looked into among police, politicians, the media and other areas of the establishment a great deal more and a great deal sooner?

The conspiratorial proposition might not be the only one, but it is plausible.

As is the purport that Saville was not just a lone abuser, but in a position to procure vulnerable young peopls for the "enjoyment" of others.

 

[Gingerman]

i'm not sure he really pushed him on it, but Louis Theroux did raise the subject with him.

Quite interesting reading some of the quotes from the show

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304938/quotes

Often wondered why he agreed to do that docu with Theroux? did'nt really do him any favours tbh,most people I know who watched it at the time thought he came across as an unlikable creepy cunt and certainly not the so-called 'lovable old eccentric' he liked to potray himself as.

 

[ViolentPanda]

AFAIK, the legal age for marriage in the state of Texas, and I'm going back to the 1960s, was pretty young - possibly as young as 12 or 13. It's changed now.

Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin ffs!

15 in Texas at the time, and Jerry Lee got married in Kentucky, which was 13 (both states requiring parental consent at those ages).

 

[clicker]

Often wondered why he agreed to do that docu with Theroux? did'nt really do him any favours tbh,most people I know who watched it at the time thought he came across as an unlikable creepy cunt and certainly not the so-called 'lovable old eccentric' he liked to potray himself as.

That was an excellent interview....I don't think jimmy 'got' louis and honestly believed he could outwit him and come out looking cleverer than mr clever of cleverland, as opposed to unveiling himself to be exactly what he was....and as you so succintly describe.

 

[editor]

Fucking hell. A new low has been reached. This actually makes me feel sick.

Sir Jimmy Savile molested a brain-damaged hospital patient, according to fresh claims against the presenter.

Former nurse June Thornton was recovering from an operation at Leeds General Infirmary when she says she saw Savile abuse the young girl.

"She had brain damage, and Jimmy Savile came in and kissed her," she said.
"He started kissing her neck, running his hands up and down her arms, and then started to molest her. Because I was laid flat on my back there was nothing I could do."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-denied-child-abuse-2007-130300697.html

 

[Gingerman]

That was an excellent interview....I don't think jimmy 'got' louis and honestly believed he could outwit him and come out looking cleverer than mr clever of cleverland, as opposed to unveiling himself to be exactly what he was....and as you so succintly describe.

Certainly changed a lot of people's perception of the guy and not for the better either.

 

[Gingerman]

Theres a whole World of WTF !!!! going on here,in what parallel universe was Jimmy Savile considered an expert in childminding ?

 

[pinkmonkey]

i didn't even pass comment, let alone think it was a "clincher".

however i did read an article where the nephew said he told his family and was shunned because of it.* also i think the way the family has stopped protesting his innocence and took the headstone down pretty sharpish could be quite telling.

*can't find article now though.

Hospital patient from way back then being interviewed on Sky News this morning. Saying how she witnessed abuse in the next bed, but could do nothing as was immobile herself.

Anyway, there's no wonder people think this all is made up. I mean, how full-on is it? WTF were we doing back then? The books, the van with a bed in the back, the bedrooms in hopsitals. It's almost like a bad taste cartoon.

I am just pleased that people (who were shouted down for years) now have a chance of being believed and getting some closure. *And* the BBC is reviewing it's child protection policy.

 

[pinkmonkey]

The amount of people who "knew all along" about behaviour in a certain milieu seems staggering. So why wasn't it looked into among police, politicians, the media and other areas of the establishment a great deal more and a great deal sooner?

Well you could say the same about the teacher at my school in Yorkshire who abused every pupil in his care for several years before he was arrested, charged and sent down for drugging and raping his wife.

No one has ever said anything, or reported it (apart from a nudge and a snigger down the pub).

 

[Mr Moose]

Dick Francis wrote a thriller about a horsey celeb who mutilates horses for good telly, which is a gripping good read, but I occasionally thought far-fetched. Clearly not. And it's the power of TV that sustains the disbelief and ensures his accusers are vilified.

But that's DF for you, prescient. Zeitgeist surfing. Tour de force.

 

[Maltin]

Theres a whole World of WTF !!!! going on here,in what parallel universe was Jimmy Savile considered an expert in childminding ?

Savile was involved in many public safety initiatives. As well as the below, I think he was involved in one on helping people cross the road although I can't find it at the moment. The main ones I can find are the Green Cross Code man. If you didn't realise, these current claims and rumours weren't widespread at the time (especially not in the public domain).