the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[Frances Lengel]

I didn't ask you for, or expect an apology - so you telling me why you weren't going to give one was and my reply was that I didn't care if you do or not. Because I don't.

Sweet as, we're all talking though aren't we. We're probably all talking shit though. Well, except me.


No Saviles here anyway. Just Mannings.

 

[Frances Lengel]

because i've already given all the answers that i intend to.

Link to where you've given any answers about it then.

 

[existentialist]

No it fucking isn't cruel at all. Lock them up for everyone's good. Is that honest to god the position you're taking? Sticking up for nonces? Mind you, should we be surprised? Fuck knows what went on in the dorm, eh? It wasn't all midnight feasts and Jennings goes To school, eh? Really, what positive contribution to this thread have you made? I know I was a wanker but really, you've done fuck all but make sly (and not even funny) digs & you're a genuine nonce apologist.

TBF, I think you may have missed something, here.

My eyes widened when I saw what Pickman's had originally posted, then I had another look at who he was responding to, and a penny dropped. In fact, I PM'd him to check out whether my guess was correct.

Our friend bubbles was doing her usual no-shades-of-grey thing and banging on about paedophilia being/not being an illness and how she thought people should get very long sentences for child sexual abuse. Pickman's asked a very careful question which seemed me to be designed to tease out the inconsistency in bubbles' comments: bubbles, either through extreme cunning, or for some less laudable reason (I'll leave you to guess) managed to completely miss the point, perhaps because she thought she was very cleverly pulling the same trick on me, with some Perry Maisonettesque questioning on whether I thought paedophilia was an "illness".

I don't for a moment think that Pickman's was being a "nonce apologist". On the contrary, I think he was trying to get this thread out of the pitchfork-waving tabloid frenzy it's started to become, and back to the thoughtful and more nuanced way it's been for most of its existence.

 

[Rural]

TBF, I think you may have missed something, here.

My eyes widened when I saw what Pickman's had originally posted, then I had another look at who he was responding to, and a penny dropped. In fact, I PM'd him to check out whether my guess was correct.

Our friend bubbles was doing her usual no-shades-of-grey thing and banging on about paedophilia being/not being an illness and how she thought people should get very long sentences for child sexual abuse. Pickman's asked a very careful question which seemed me to be designed to tease out the inconsistency in bubbles' comments: bubbles, either through extreme cunning, or for some less laudable reason (I'll leave you to guess) managed to completely miss the point, perhaps because she thought she was very cleverly pulling the same trick on me, with some Perry Maisonettesque questioning on whether I thought paedophilia was an "illness".

I don't for a moment think that Pickman's was being a "nonce apologist". On the contrary, I think he was trying to get this thread out of the pitchfork-waving tabloid frenzy it's started to become, and back to the thoughtful and more nuanced way it's been for most of its existence.

I am completely lost. How did this ever get so complicated?

 

[existentialist]

Is it about time this thread was locked? It's been massively derailed.. the is there evidence .. thread is a lot better and a lot more informative and is the logical progression of where this thread left off before the last few pages of shite

I had hoped that things were settling down last night, and I have to say that bubbles' announcement of her departure was a promising sign.

But I think that the thread probably is doomed, now, more's the pity. I'll admit that for my part I am not prepared to stand silently by as all kinds of accusations are made against me by her, and I can fully understand why others might feel the same. So, for as long as it is not possible for a sensible grown-up discussion to take place on a topic like this without someone or other chucking their toys out of the pram because everyone hasn't instantly stopped their debating to coo over the prima donna in the corner's finger paintings, the thread's fucked.

 

[existentialist]

I am completely lost. How did this ever get so complicated?

Urban bunfight, innit?

Well, TBF, it's a bunfight anywhere on the Internet - shifting allegiances, old beefs resurfacing, delicate sensibilities, and sometimes a bit of good old-fashioned honest-to-goodness windup merchant activity.

Urban's come a long way, though. 5 years ago you couldn't have mentioned a paedophile without the thread turning into a bloodstained wankfest with people going on at length about what they wanted to do to the perpetrators. We got over a hundred pages of some really, really useful, interesting, and thoughtful debate. It's just a pity it takes so few (as few as one, sometimes) to completely fuck it up.

 

[Rural]

Urban bunfight, innit?

Well, TBF, it's a bunfight anywhere on the Internet - shifting allegiances, old beefs resurfacing, delicate sensibilities, and sometimes a bit of good old-fashioned honest-to-goodness windup merchant activity.

Urban's come a long way, though. 5 years ago you couldn't have mentioned a paedophile without the thread turning into a bloodstained wankfest with people going on at length about what they wanted to do to the perpetrators. We got over a hundred pages of some really, really useful, interesting, and thoughtful debate. It's just a pity it takes so few (as few as one, sometimes) to completely fuck it up.

I get that many ppl want to be top nonce-hater & not really surprising considering the amount of ppl hurt by abuse. It's all the other stuff, motives etc I find hard to follow.

 

[equationgirl]

Rural not just you, my head has been a bit wtf at a lot of the past few pages.

 

[mango5]

Looks like this thread is done. Please don't carry any of the shit over to the evidence thread.

 

[existentialist]

I get that many ppl want to be top nonce-hater & not really surprising considering the amount of ppl hurt by abuse. It's all the other stuff, motives etc I find hard to follow.

I think it's all mixed up together. It's a natural human reaction to kind of want to pile on on the Obvious Evil, and "evil" doesn't come much more obvious than child sexual abuse.

So you get a lot of more simplistic thinkers (and that's not a veiled dig at bubbles - there's a LOT of simplistic thinkers about, especially on this topic) who will come onto a thread like this, give it the old "I hates, peados. Hang all peedoes up by the balls" treatment, and then be theatrically appalled when everyone doesn't respond with "yer, and stick barbed wire up their bums and also poke them in the eye, also we hate p33d0ez".

Once that game's underway, all the underlying stuff just comes out in a rush