the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[peterkro]

Like I assume a lot of other people I feel guilty about Savile (not that I knew anything other than gossip) at this stage can we totally ignore the gossip about gangland connections and necrophilia?

 

[co-op]

Maybe it was just pure coincidence a Scottish poster posted that with no comment. Maybe.

Him getting all defensive makes it look a bit less coincidental to me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Like I assume a lot of other people I feel guilty about Savile (not that I knew anything other than gossip) at this stage can we totally ignore the gossip about gangland connections and necrophilia?

i hope we could explore those areas because they sound quite interesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

jimmy savile getting a kicking



see round 1:50

 

[trashpony]

(From memory, details may be hazy) A Celtic football coach was found guilty of child abuse, his time at Celtic overlapped with Jock Stein's so a rather seedy little campaign under the heading "Big Jock Knew" (ie knew about the child abuse and hushed it up) was started pretty obviously as a part of a sectarian anti-celtic, anti-catholic thing.

It was a few years ago now, I use to run across it a bit on football boards

Ah right, cheers

 

[co-op]

Ah right, cheers

Cheers co-op

You're welcome.

 

[stuff_it]

A thread for discussion of sir jimmy savile obe and his vile activities. Please don't call other people nonces or say they look like nonces on the thread or it will go the way of all the others.

Only someone who looked like a nonce would make this post.

 

[Pickman's model]

Only someone who looked like a nonce would make this post.

sadly i haven't had the flowing locks associated with paedophiles or with superannuated rock'n'roll virgins for many years

 

[elbows]

Fuuuuuuucking hell.

Have to say I was a bit non-plussed about him having a room at two(?) hospitals. What on earth where his justifications for that?

Also, where'd that quote come from? It's not in that link?

They bloody well removed that entire part of the story after I read it, probably when they updated it shortly after 6pm!

 

[Pickman's model]

They bloody well removed that entire part of the story after I posted it!

surgery tch

 

[sleaterkinney]

I had doubted the rumours when they first appeared back in the original thread, but not now and it's a shame Saville isn't around to face the music

 

[Pickman's model]

I had doubted the rumours when they first appeared back in the original thread, but not now and it's a shame Saville isn't around to face the music

what do you think would happen to a (living) 86 year old accused of all these vile crimes? fuck all, i wouldn't be surprised, particularly in savile's case where he was treated like he was some sort of national treasure.

 

[trashpony]

Am I the only cynic who think that the reason his family removed his headstone wasn't 'out of respect for the victims' as was alleged but because they didn't want it defaced?

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I the only cynic who think that the reason his family removed his headstone wasn't 'out of respect for the victims' as was alleged but because they didn't want it defaced?

they've had it well and truly defaced now, smashed up and sent for landfill.

 

[sleaterkinney]

what do you think would happen to a (living) 86 year old accused of all these vile crimes? fuck all, i wouldn't be surprised, particularly in savile's case where he was treated like he was some sort of national treasure.

The victims would get to see him face up to it at least.

 

[trashpony]

they've had it well and truly defaced now, smashed up and sent for landfill.

Apparently.

 

[elbows]

Am I the only cynic who think that the reason his family removed his headstone wasn't 'out of respect for the victims' as was alleged but because they didn't want it defaced?

And before this move they had mentioned increased security at the cemetery, which comes at a price that I doubt anyone wanted to pay for long.

I think they only got the headstones installed a matter of weeks ago, like the various plaques the timing turned out to be quite poor.

 

[DotCommunist]

the renaming of the street

 

[Ponyutd]

And what do you think would have happened to her? She would have been thought to be hysterical and making hideous lurid allegations and probably lost her job.

Then again, you're the twat whose first comment on April Jones going missing was to wonder where her mother was so I shouldn't be surprised

Wilf said:

The logic behind the 'pretend to sleep' comment is beyond staggering. In an NHS hospital, a nurse having to say that to a child so they can avoid being abused by a rich celeb. Christ. ​

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Wilf thought the person was a child who was told to pretend to be asleep. She wasn't, she was 28 when she was in hospital as a patient and told to pretend to be asleep.
Nicky Campbell asked her "How old was you when this happened" The caller said I was 28. Is this clear?
I pointed out to Wilf she wasn't a child. Understand?
She wasn't a nurse as you seem to think.
Still surprised?

 

[elbows]

jimmy savile getting a kicking
see round 1:50

I dont know what it was like in the UK but in the USA pro wrestling was quite similar to the music scene in a few key ways. Back in the day they had regional promotions with regular tour circuits, and there was a groupie thing. The wrestlers referred to these women or girls as 'ring rats'. Some of them were probably underage, and if I remember correctly one of the reasons Jake the snake Roberts has a rather dark take on life is that he is the product of his father, a wrestler called Grizzly Smith, getting a very underage girl pregnant in circumstances that sounded extra ugly.

 

[Coffee]

Here's a article from the Scarborough local rags website, liked the third comment.. my old secondary school.
http://m.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/local/savile-s-gravestone-taken-down-overnight-1-5008451

Dave.

 

[discokermit]

The victims would get to see him face up to it at least.

the truth was never going to be officially acknowledged whilst he was alive.

 

[trashpony]

Wilf said:

The logic behind the 'pretend to sleep' comment is beyond staggering. In an NHS hospital, a nurse having to say that to a child so they can avoid being abused by a rich celeb. Christ. ​

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Wilf thought the person was a child who was told to pretend to be asleep. She wasn't, she was 28 when she was in hospital as a patient and told to pretend to be asleep.
Nicky Campbell asked her "How old was you when this happened" The caller said I was 28. Is this clear?
I pointed out to Wilf she wasn't a child. Understand?
She wasn't a nurse as you seem to think.
Still surprised?

Yeah, I'm still surprised that you think it's really worth making a big deal of. Maybe he got off on shagging women who were so incapacitated by their disability they couldn't fight back as well as children. What's your point? The nurse still told her to pretend to be asleep.

 

[Part 2]

Am I the only cynic who think that the reason his family removed his headstone wasn't 'out of respect for the victims' as was alleged but because they didn't want it defaced?

I'm not sure. I'm inclined to think they would know better than anyone what he was really like.

 

[Ponyutd]

Two people on here thought the person was a child, I pointed out she wasn't, she was a grown up who overheard the conversation. You thought it was a nurse! How the fuck is that making a big deal of it?
Your making shit up(Maybe he got off on shagging women who were so incapacitated by their disability they couldn't fight back as well as children.) not me.

 

[Lock&Light]

I'm not sure. I'm inclined to think they would know better than anyone what he was really like.

I don't expect that JS told his nephews and nieces the the true nature of his soul.

 

[Part 2]

Is telling people what you're like the only way anyone knows anything about you?

 

[where to]

the truth was never going to be officially acknowledged whilst he was alive.

This is key. He had to be dead for this to be discussed openly. Why was that. What can stop those circumstances developing again.

also important to prevent this being seen through narrow lens of a
' 70s problem'. The omerta only ended last week.

I found it interesting to hear a recording of an Irish journalist really push him on the issue in an old interview played on 5live earlier. Something no UK journalist ever seemed to have done.

[Edited to sound less swanky.]

 

[CyberRose]

This is key. He had to be dead for this to be discussed openly. Why? What can stop those circumstances developing again.

It's also important to prevent this being considered simply as a 70s problem. The omerta only ended last week.

I found it interesting to hear a recording of an Irish journalist really push him on the issue in an old interview played on 5live earlier. Something no UK journalist ever seemed to have done.

Cos they'd get sued without a guilty verdict?

 

[where to]

Not asking questions they wouldn't of.