the sir jimmy savile obe thread
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Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Interesting that Guido Fawkes was making noises about Savile and the BBC back in February
http://order-order.com/2012/02/08/bbc-jimmy-savile-cover-up-scandal-coming/
http://order-order.com/2012/02/08/bbc-jimmy-savile-cover-up-scandal-coming/
butchersapron
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That was 3 months after it all kicked off.
Not sure about that. It does actually exist. It's not a Jewish group though.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i know it exists. in the context of these theories tho? bilderberg is enough of a jewish sounding name
Yeah I suppose. Interestingly enough, members of Bilderberg actually like the theories and the fact loons think they're the secret rulers of the world. Makes their boring seminars have a James Bond feel about them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Talked to them have you?
Have you talked to the many people you discuss on here?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bone says thatcher's pps was a ppperv, morrison
butchersapron
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I don't claim that i know what they think.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I was talking to sir jimmy savile obe kcsg just the other day through the medium of a ouija board.
Maybe I'm a clairvoyant then? How else would I know that a Former UK MP and Bilderberg member said that?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maybe you read him or her saying that?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Bingo. Maybe you also read a lot of what you discuss on here also?
butchersapron
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Yeah, then i say - and only then - that a single individuals view means that all participants think like this.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's a horrible accusation, and horrible if true, but this bit is rather unfair. All homosexual activity was illegal at the time and cottaging was a means for homosexual men to meet each other.
What makes you think that it was me that had taken an individual view and applied it collectively?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That doesn't prove that I applied an individual's view collectively. Given that the individual can express that it is a collective view.
butchersapron
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You what
Leave it now, come on
ok, there's your avenue out of here. Not really sure what the meaning of that little exchange was but there we are.
elbows
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From what I remember many conspiracy sites and people liked to keep the child abuse theories separate from other theories that involve codes for jews. It all gets woven back into their overall narrative at some point, but they can sometimes manage to tell a tale of coverup and conspiracy that doesnt involve jews at all.
Pointing out antisemitism wherever it is to be found is very important, and there are plenty who tirelessly do that on these forums. However I doubt I would have spent so much time in previous years ranting on various conspiracy threads if I thought that was the only angle, since others had that well covered already. I'm not quite sure yet if I'll find anything fresh to say about this on the back of this Savile-induced focus on child sex abuse, but knowing me I'll parp out some paragraphs about it in the not too distant future.
I'm not finding this a great starting point though. When I tried to determine the context that Bilderberg came up in this time, it was in a point that along the lines of 'mentioning the Bilderberg a decade ago would have been met with laughs, but that now its proven to exist people might take it seriously'. Well that was a silly point as far as I'm concerned, because the issue was never about whether Bilderberg existed, it was as usual about conspiracy theorists understanding of power & structures, agendas and standards of evidence.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
of course it's not the only angle, the other ones are just as bad, milking money from the vulnerable by selling shit books and shit "health" products like colloidal silver, discrediting child abuse victims by mixing legitimate info alongside lurid tales of satanists and rosicrucians and the like. Not to mention the fact that any idea of a coverup now gets tarred with the same brush and becomes easier to dismiss
i hate them.
i hate them.
elbows
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I think I've always been interested in stealing back the legitimate topics they've been able to use as ingredients in their foul brew. These ingredients were only available to them due to narrow mainstream focus and thats something which is coming undone this century, albeit to a limited extent so far.
Conspiracy theorists are mostly fooling themselves if they think that revelations that go mainstream are going to have people bowing down to Icke & Jones. When these issues are seized by the mainstream, the Ickes and Jones's become obsolete on that issue, not empowered. The faith of those who believe the conspiracies may well be renewed, their worldview further cemented, but that doesnt mean millions of newcomers will want to join the congregation. And thats because:
Lots of people will not change their standards of evidence, no matter how massive the revelation is. They can believe the story now because sufficient evidence is now there in the public domain, and before it was not.
Lots of people are already plenty cynical about institutions, power, agendas etc, but conspiracy theorists dont seem to notice this, thinking everyone else is asleep unless they have comic-book notions about power and institutions.
And yes a percentage of people will remain happy to mostly stick within the confines of whatever the mainstream is going on about, and no amount of horror will lead them to seek Icke & co as an alternative.
Conspiracy theorists are mostly fooling themselves if they think that revelations that go mainstream are going to have people bowing down to Icke & Jones. When these issues are seized by the mainstream, the Ickes and Jones's become obsolete on that issue, not empowered. The faith of those who believe the conspiracies may well be renewed, their worldview further cemented, but that doesnt mean millions of newcomers will want to join the congregation. And thats because:
Lots of people will not change their standards of evidence, no matter how massive the revelation is. They can believe the story now because sufficient evidence is now there in the public domain, and before it was not.
Lots of people are already plenty cynical about institutions, power, agendas etc, but conspiracy theorists dont seem to notice this, thinking everyone else is asleep unless they have comic-book notions about power and institutions.
And yes a percentage of people will remain happy to mostly stick within the confines of whatever the mainstream is going on about, and no amount of horror will lead them to seek Icke & co as an alternative.
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