the sir jimmy savile obe thread
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Maybe millions of paedophiles in the UK ....
http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01...se-in-britain/
The ease of the crime is reflected in its scale. No one knows the exact numbers, but to construct a picture is to watch an arithmetical explosion. Start with a hard fact. At the last count, there were 2,100 child sex abusers behind the bars of British jails. Now think of all those who have previously been convicted but who have been released back into the community. You have to multiply by 50: according to the Home Office Research Department, there are 108,000 convicted paedophiles in the community.
Now, think of all the child victims who are conned and confused and never report their abuse in the first place; and all those cases which are reported but which fall short of the demands of the courts; and all those cases of rape and indecent assault which are convicted but which are not statistically recorded as crimes against children. At the most conservative estimate, the NSPCC and specialist police agree with studies here and in the United States, that the official figures for convictions record no more than ten per cent of the paedophile population. Which means that today in Britain, there are probably 1.1 million paedophiles at large. Other studies suggest that the figure is very much higher
http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01...se-in-britain/
The ease of the crime is reflected in its scale. No one knows the exact numbers, but to construct a picture is to watch an arithmetical explosion. Start with a hard fact. At the last count, there were 2,100 child sex abusers behind the bars of British jails. Now think of all those who have previously been convicted but who have been released back into the community. You have to multiply by 50: according to the Home Office Research Department, there are 108,000 convicted paedophiles in the community.
Now, think of all the child victims who are conned and confused and never report their abuse in the first place; and all those cases which are reported but which fall short of the demands of the courts; and all those cases of rape and indecent assault which are convicted but which are not statistically recorded as crimes against children. At the most conservative estimate, the NSPCC and specialist police agree with studies here and in the United States, that the official figures for convictions record no more than ten per cent of the paedophile population. Which means that today in Britain, there are probably 1.1 million paedophiles at large. Other studies suggest that the figure is very much higher
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Shirley not? Wonder if all his opponents knew that?
Know of one who definitely did - he told me.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
elbows
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I know nothing about the Big Daddy claim but its time for an unfortunate tribute from Savile:
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
"As two Yorkshire lads, we used to terrorise everyone. It was a laugh a minute. He had this great booming laugh and all the rest of us could do in the ring was hope and pray."
What kind of ring, Jim?
Louloubelle
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3 doctors who worked with Savile at various hospitals accused of molesting kids in their care
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nurse-Stoke-Mandeville.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
eta
they worked at the same hospitals as him and had Jim'll Fix It signs in their consulting rooms so may or may not have worked directly with Savile
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nurse-Stoke-Mandeville.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
eta
they worked at the same hospitals as him and had Jim'll Fix It signs in their consulting rooms so may or may not have worked directly with Savile
It just gets worse and worse 
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Luckily, we have leaders like Boris Johnson who have always had sensible opinions on such matters. A slight tangent, but indulge me.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...-folks-how-many-paedophiles-can-there-be.html
What a fucktard.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...-folks-how-many-paedophiles-can-there-be.html
What a fucktard.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
No. I don't know that the Bilderberg Group is a code for what you say it is a code for. I know it is a group of mainly Anglo/Euro American politicians, media types, business leaders etc.
I do know a prime founder was a Dutch Royal who had been in the SS. That doesn't sit so well with your theory on the whole, because I dimly recall the SS had a reputation for anti-semitism that was beyond mild, need to check.
I know that international financeers are a group who have screwed over economies and the masses world wide. What defines them is the global level of their operations and the nature of those operations. The faith / ethnicity of individuals couldn't interest me less, apart from their faith in money of course.
If you are hoping to insinuate all who oppose the historic record levels of fraud and larceny as anti semite - or dupes for it, you are going to have a very uphill struggle. Because it's stupid.
Madrid, Athens, Lisbon - all scenes of massive demonstrations. Countries across the world all buckling under austerity. Is every person who complains about the system a Jew hater? The vast majority are not. As I've said before, Marx, Trotsky, Chomsky and countless others don't strike me as prime candidates for anti semitism.
I am forever telling people that the nation in certainly the region, if not the world, that had more per capita people involved in anti government protest in the year of the "Arab Spring" was Israel.
Do you have any actual evidence or does me citing groups that exist (with a vast amount of non semite members) suffice as far as you are concerned?
You have mis-read me FW. Plain and simple. I could well be partly responsible for that, but far from entirely.
Look around on all my posts over years (Butchers sometimes bothers to do this kind of thing) - find something, anything, that actually points to solid evidence of your accusation.
You won't.
Citing allusions to BBerg and the finance crime syndicate just wont do for the level of accusation you have thrown at me and the invective that has gone with it.
I will grant that, especially in the past, criticism and analysis of these groups has been heavily disproportionate in terms of right wing representation.
I consider that speaks to a blind spot of the left, as I have said quite a few times.
It's like the silly claim you made that Icke was my "hero". When I asked you to substantiate that you just said it was "obvious". So "obvious" in fact that you didn't actually produce any evidence then either. I have very few heroes beyond perhaps the arts, and Icke is certainly not one of them. He exagerates, he is simplistic, he is rather vain (not the worst). He is a magpie (getting towards the worst) and he has said no small number of stupid things.
As I said. You have misread me, and that is life. My views on all sorts of things are clearly more nuanced than you gave me credit for. I hope to never put words in your mouth at any rate.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Touche Butchers, though I note no actual evidence coming from your direction either.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
just turned on radio 5 george galloway being interviewed about jimmy savile, can't say anything more about it as digital radios cost money and so I turned it straight off rather than throw the set through the window.
I had no problem - I went upstairs for a fine shit!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this should be your tagline
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
not interested. go play yourself some madrigals or something. you want to know why i give you a level of invective? because i do take personal offence to the shit these cunts say. i don't accuse people of anti-semitism because its fun you know.
you want to bring the 9/11 movement and others of its type closer to the left, to give them left/liberal cover. they are not left wing. they are the total opposite. now that these high level paedophile rings re being exposed people like them are going "aha! now we can show that if that's true all the other conspiracies might be true!" to use these peoples suffering in this way is absolutely revolting, without bringing the actual content of their messages into it.
eta: stop trying to say that people who don't want this bullshit being brought into it must spport jimmy saville/the establishment, when it's people like the 9/11 loons who are actually helping them.
you want to bring the 9/11 movement and others of its type closer to the left, to give them left/liberal cover. they are not left wing. they are the total opposite. now that these high level paedophile rings re being exposed people like them are going "aha! now we can show that if that's true all the other conspiracies might be true!" to use these peoples suffering in this way is absolutely revolting, without bringing the actual content of their messages into it.
eta: stop trying to say that people who don't want this bullshit being brought into it must spport jimmy saville/the establishment, when it's people like the 9/11 loons who are actually helping them.
From the Manual of self-disproving statements, p.666?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
They're conspiracy theorists aren't they? Same themes/language at any rate: http://grantjkidney.com/the-zeitgeist-movement-responce-to-occupy-wall-street-protests/
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
yep.
I saw someone with a "support assange" sign. Clearly missing the point of an anti austerity protest by a few furlongs, and someone else trying to tack an unrelated cause to the left.
I could only have
harder if the sign had said "support saville".DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I saw someone with a "support assange" sign. Clearly missing the point of an anti austerity protest by a few furlongs, and someone else trying to tack an unrelated cause to the left.
I could only have
he's hiding in Satans embassy
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Oh look. You didn't find any evidence. And you deliberately misconstrue what I have been saying.
You may not accuse people of anti semitism as a hobby, so don't bother doing it without evidence.
When I have challenged you to produce evidence of things you have just
- Said "It's obvious"
- used category evidence misjudgements on the lines of
1) Some people say "A" as Code for "B"
2) You say "A"
3) Therefore you are using it as code for "B"
Now we have another obfuscationist default:
- "not interested"
I have not mentioned 911 in the context of any of this. Why are you bringing it up? We both know what a can of worms and distraction it is. Oh, that's it - could be you're wanting to distract.
Distract from you lack of evidence that I am anti semitic.
Find the evidence and present it or STFU.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
It's hardly cover. It's pretty obvious who they are and they make no secret of it. The question is whether they contribute to Occupy in it's own terms or not. I have not enough direct experience to comment.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Hiding in plain sight.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Well the thing is, Occupy is by definition an open movement. If someone plainly hijacked it without genuine contribution that would be reason to denounce them. But all sorts of people have legitimately contributed while also furthering their own agenda.
I did visit some Occupies but my own local one I avoided for personal reasons i won't get into.
I did notice people pushing CT stuff that wasn't really Occupy appropriate (in that it did seem opportunist) and I said so. Healthy debate and all that.
But, as simplistic and patronising as I find many Zeitgeist types to be (and as problematic as aspects of the film and "movement" are IMO) They do essentially challenge the money system, which is entirely appropriate within the context of Occupy.
Occupy was the first time that CTs had been thrown together with left/anarchists, environmentalists and others in such a way. It interested me for that though it was clearly not a roaring success in that regard. At least it was an attempt though, and lessons will have been learned.
The establishment and current model of society is so very clearly a crock of shit to so many people it is plainly unrealistic to suppose that those who seek to build an alternative should or would all be of similar mindset and tradition.
No one has a monopoly on this stuff, and from a blank sheet I don't see a Zeitgeist person as using Occupy as "cover" for an "agenda" any more or less than an anarchist, socialist or environmentalist might be doing so.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
FW
One more thing for now, I know you are busy sifting through my past posts looking for evidence of your ultimately hollow accusations.
A lot of the movements you describe (and more) do contain highly suss right wing people, some of whom are doubtless using them towards recruitment.
The Freeman Of The Land lot and similar groups - riddled with rightists. And anarchist inclined friends I have keep me in the loop on that. It astonishes me that such interesting theory and history is only ever really used to for such revolutionary effect as dodging parking tickets or council tax in a way that makes people no more socially responsible than Vodafone.
911 similarly is far from devoid of rightists in people questioning the events.
I do not need informing of any of that, or denouncing for it as if I was not aware. But to take an interest in something neither means going along with all conclusions or conforming to the average of broadly unconnected political opinions of others who take an interest.
That seems to be a prime confusion of yours in your clunky and patronising denouncements.
One more thing for now, I know you are busy sifting through my past posts looking for evidence of your ultimately hollow accusations.
A lot of the movements you describe (and more) do contain highly suss right wing people, some of whom are doubtless using them towards recruitment.
The Freeman Of The Land lot and similar groups - riddled with rightists. And anarchist inclined friends I have keep me in the loop on that. It astonishes me that such interesting theory and history is only ever really used to for such revolutionary effect as dodging parking tickets or council tax in a way that makes people no more socially responsible than Vodafone.
911 similarly is far from devoid of rightists in people questioning the events.
I do not need informing of any of that, or denouncing for it as if I was not aware. But to take an interest in something neither means going along with all conclusions or conforming to the average of broadly unconnected political opinions of others who take an interest.
That seems to be a prime confusion of yours in your clunky and patronising denouncements.
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