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Happier times. Run for your Wife ! Barry Cryer's arm seems to be making the lady interviewer a little uncomfortable. Rolf's kiss at the end ....

 
equationgirl said:
They've behaved in exactly the same way on other threads. Their behaviour was tiresome the first time, now it's just tedious and pathetic.
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So it's a fairly definite link, then? Are we talking sock puppets, returners, or some kind of alternative weirdness? Reading that other thread, I have to agree with you that the M.O. seems remarkably similar, particularly the slow build to the huffy offence-taking that we've seen done so well on here.

Very strange.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Who do you think they might be?
Teachers get paid their salary no matter what extra initiatives and programmes are implemented so they're not making any money ... department of education programmes over here are free...and all materials are free so they're not making any money. Staff training for teachers, child care personnel and health personnel is free over here....and trainers are usually employed in the health boards or departments of education and the training of personnel is only one aspect of their job.....
Educational psychologists assigned to schools over here do various work apart from child protection and are paid a standarf salary by the HSE
.. so they're not making extra money.
Private psychs and private counsellors may make money from those who can afford to pay for their services. I have no idea how many people can afford an hour of private counselling by either a psych or counsellor but I hear the going rate for private services is around €100 an hour. That's not to say that their services are not optional and there are cases of abuse where the state pays for a victim's counselling.

But who do you think is making money ? Is it very different over there? Are you involved in child protection?
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I've just read back to this post, and, frankly, I cannot believe what I am seeing.

It appears that our friend bubbles is - suddenly, only since my intervention in relation to her comments - trying to suggest that the world of child protection and abuse prevention is a benign one, populated only by well-meaning salaried teachers, ed psychs, and, presumably unpaid fairies and happy little elves, sullied only by...DA DA DAAAA, the Dark And Evil Psychs And Counsellors, creaming off €100/hour to fill our little ones' minds with Bad Thoughts And Unconventional Notions.

There is an agenda operating here. TBF, I think it's just friend wibbles trying to debate via the medium of character assassination, but an honest and fair discussion this is not, nor, from the look of it, was she ever intending it to be.

I'd grumble, except that it is all such patently arrant nonsense there'd be no point. But I thought it was worth flagging up this particularly egregious example of her intellectual dishonesty.

And, FWIW, you can take her grumbles about the nature of our PM interactions with a bushel or so of salt, too: her characterisation of them is nothing I recognise.
 
existentialist said:
I've just read back to this post, and, frankly, I cannot believe what I am seeing.

It appears that our friend bubbles is - suddenly, only since my intervention in relation to her comments - trying to suggest that the world of child protection and abuse prevention is a benign one, populated only by well-meaning salaried teachers, ed psychs, and, presumably unpaid fairies and happy little elves, sullied only by...DA DA DAAAA, the Dark And Evil Psychs And Counsellors, creaming off €100/hour to fill our little ones' minds with Bad Thoughts And Unconventional Notions.

There is an agenda operating here. TBF, I think it's just friend wibbles trying to debate via the medium of character assassination, but an honest and fair discussion this is not, nor, from the look of it, was she ever intending it to be.

I'd grumble, except that it is all such patently arrant nonsense there'd be no point. But I thought it was worth flagging up this particularly egregious example of her intellectual dishonesty.

And, FWIW, you can take her grumbles about the nature of our PM interactions with a bushel or so of salt, too: her characterisation of them is nothing I recognise.
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Staggering. ..
What a completely twisted interpretation of that post.
Good luck to you existentialist.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Staggering. ..
What a completely twisted interpretation of that post.
Good luck to you existentialist.
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existentialist said:
I've just read back to this post, and, frankly, I cannot believe what I am seeing.

It appears that our friend bubbles is - suddenly, only since my intervention in relation to her comments - trying to suggest that the world of child protection and abuse prevention is a benign one, populated only by well-meaning salaried teachers, ed psychs, and, presumably unpaid fairies and happy little elves, sullied only by...DA DA DAAAA, the Dark And Evil Psychs And Counsellors, creaming off €100/hour to fill our little ones' minds with Bad Thoughts And Unconventional Notions.
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I think this is a bit paranoid.
 
existentialist said:
Then I haven't done a very good job of expressing my point. It doesn't really matter.
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I think I understood your point, it's just a bit dramatic, which I know is sometimes your style, and you know, we all have a style.

As you say, it doesn't really matter. I can't really get a handle on the point of the discussion, it keeps shifting.
 
existentialist said:
I am sorry, but I cannot tell a lie.

Urban, hard as this is for me to admit, I do have this confession to make. Not only have I, wilfully and with malice aforethought, gone around these boards capitalising, theorising, proselytising and - yes - personalising with gay abandon, but I have, it must be said, been guilty of repeat and flagrant petsonalising. I have tried to stop: for years, I refused to admit that I had a problem, then, having realised that this wasn't just the occasional bit of casual petsonalising from time to time, but a pattern of repeated and unashamed petsonalising, I though I could control it and stop it any time I wanted.

Now I know different. Now my secret is out.

Urban, my name is existentialist and I am a...petsonaliser. There. I've said it. They say the first step is realising you have a problem.
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Making a cunt jokey post about a typo and making a feck of counselling and people who get it....your own job.... in one....nice one.

But if you do have problems you should get counselling for them...although be careful... as there are some counsellors who are not so nice...so choose carefully.
Here's a short list of some of the damaging things they can do.......
    • Basing assessments on the therapists's conjecture rather than actual evidence, and then making further assumptions about the client based on those assessments
  • Not listening properly to clients - and only "hearing" what fits in with the therapist's own preconceived ideas
  • Rubbishing the client's own insight, understanding, ideals, goals etc. and making them doubt their own reality (gaslighting)
  • Treating the client as though he/she is malingering/feigning symptoms so as to gain sympathy.
If you replace the word "client" with "poster"....you pretty much fit the bill in this thread....and in your pms.

I hope there are auditors for counselling services in the UK. In my opinion you need to meet one...if this thread is indicative of your behaviour and general attitude...( let's do a bit of your style now.) "I suspect you operate this way as it is very much your MO"...

And seeing as you've "liked" my last two posts..although I "suspect" (to use your language) that you probably didnt....let's see another bully boy "like" eh?

Fact is you and I know damn well you're a manipulative lying cunt.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Making a cunt jokey post about a typo and making a feck of counselling and people who get it....your own job.... in one....nice one.

But if you do have problems you should get counselling for them...although be careful... as there are some counsellors who are not so nice...so choose carefully.
Here's a short list of some of the damaging things they can do.......
    • Basing assessments on the therapists's conjecture rather than actual evidence, and then making further assumptions about the client based on those assessments
  • Not listening properly to clients - and only "hearing" what fits in with the therapist's own preconceived ideas
  • Rubbishing the client's own insight, understanding, ideals, goals etc. and making them doubt their own reality (gaslighting)
  • Treating the client as though he/she is malingering/feigning symptoms so as to gain sympathy.
If you replace the word "client" with "poster"....you pretty much fit the bill in this thread....and in your pms.

I hope there are auditors for counselling services in the UK. In my opinion you need to meet one...if this thread is indicative of your behaviour and general attitude...( let's do a bit of your style now.) "I suspect you operate this way as it is very much your MO"...

And seeing as you've "liked" my last two posts..although I "suspect" (to use your language) that you probably didnt....let's see another bully boy "like" eh?

Fact is you and I know damn well you're a manipulative lying cunt.
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I think you badly need to grow a sense of perspective.

And start going a bit easier on the abuse.
 
DotCommunist said:
jimmy still divides from beyond the grave
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I am really not sure we can credit Jimmy with any of this. TBH, if I had been a bit more clued up, I'd have realised that this poster was working herself up into a frenzy of righteous indignation pretty much from the off, and the smart thing to have done would have been to wind my neck in and ignore her. That felt a little - yes - paranoid at that early point, but hindsight suggests that'd have been the right course of action.

Ah well, better late than never :)
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Making a cunt jokey post about a typo and making a feck of counselling and people who get it....your own job.... in one....nice one.

But if you do have problems you should get counselling for them...although be careful... as there are some counsellors who are not so nice...so choose carefully.
Here's a short list of some of the damaging things they can do.......
    • Basing assessments on the therapists's conjecture rather than actual evidence, and then making further assumptions about the client based on those assessments
  • Not listening properly to clients - and only "hearing" what fits in with the therapist's own preconceived ideas
  • Rubbishing the client's own insight, understanding, ideals, goals etc. and making them doubt their own reality (gaslighting)
  • Treating the client as though he/she is malingering/feigning symptoms so as to gain sympathy.
If you replace the word "client" with "poster"....you pretty much fit the bill in this thread....and in your pms.

I hope there are auditors for counselling services in the UK. In my opinion you need to meet one...if this thread is indicative of your behaviour and general attitude...( let's do a bit of your style now.) "I suspect you operate this way as it is very much your MO"...

And seeing as you've "liked" my last two posts..although I "suspect" (to use your language) that you probably didnt....let's see another bully boy "like" eh?

Fact is you and I know damn well you're a manipulative lying cunt.
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Why do you always act the same way when people don't agree with your point of view?
 
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