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Rural said:
I think it was me. I was thinking in terms of companies set up for the purposes of offering cheap, speedy solutions, who the authorities would prefer, despite their dubious credentials. I'm thinking of similar things to what has happened in the area of for eg, drug treatment where companies like CRI have taken over from actual professionals & also in the area of employment/job training, where many small companies r "advising" the unemployed. I guess it seems that areas once reserved for ppl who knew what they were doing r being farmed out to the lowest bidder & many ppl r getting rich off the back of this. I'm also thinking of all the *talking heads* eg Esther rantzen, who the media employs to talk rubbish every time abuse hits the news. They also profit from the subject more than if they were interested in prevention.
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So in effect, the worry doesn't just lie with these companies (and personally I find the fact that these small companies are all too often devoured by the big service corps such as Crapita once they've won a contract highly disturbing), but also with a system that commodifies, commercialises and reduces-to-essentials what should be broad-ranging investigative practices.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
@ existentialist

Glad you got my pm and the info I sent you on the "Freedom" programme plus contact names and addresses.

...you're welcome to contact my place of work, and the other centres mentioned in the pm, for further info.


:thumbs:
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Just post it up here. Despite your determined attempts to personalise this discussion, I was not the only one inviting you to provide a little more information about this project you constantly refer to in support of your views, which have been challenged by quite a few people other than me.

The information is relevant, if you have it, and I'm not interested in PM conversations about it if you're not willing to support your claims with it here on the thread. I am certainly not interested in engaging in private conversations with someone who claims I am "bullying" them.
 
[QUOT ViolentPanda, post: 13260623, member: 2660"]So in effect, the worry doesn't just lie with these companies (and personally I find the fact that these small companies are all too often devoured by the big service corps such as Crapita once they've won a contract highly disturbing), but also with a system that commodifies, commercialises and reduces-to-essentials what should be broad-ranging investigative practices.[/QUOTE]
Yes crapita,serco,g4, etc, r the sort of big companies who, like the drug companies, make much more money from providing "solutions" & "cures" to problems rather than addressing causes of problems. I don't even know if they "reduce-to-essentials", they reduce to what maximises their profits as far as I can see
 
Just watching was Jimmy Savile a wizard ? The first few minutes make it clear to me it's a resounding no - but he was born on Halloween 1926 and the 7th son of a 7th son.

 
existentialist said:
Just post it up here. Despite your determined attempts to personalise this discussion, I was not the only one inviting you to provide a little more information about this project you constantly refer to in support of your views, which have been challenged by quite a few people other than me.

The information is relevant, if you have it, and I'm not interested in PM conversations about it if you're not willing to support your claims with it here on the thread. I am certainly not interested in engaging in private conversations with someone who claims I am "bullying" them.
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Yup...you really are a nasty bit of goods arent you.
You got all the info you asked for.
And still you're petsonalising this and being a shit.
I posted my last post here because you basically told me not to pm you after I sent you the name if the author of the program and the contact I work with in the HSE and at my place of work.


Anyone who wants the info can pm me....and I'll send them on the contact name.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Yup...you really are a nasty bit of goods arent you.
You got all the info you asked for.
And still you're petsonalising this and being a shit.
I posted my last post here because you basically told me not to pm you after I sent you the name if the author of the program and the contact I work with in the HSE and at my place of work.


Anyone who wants the info can pm me....and I'll send them on the contact name.
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Cut it out. Existentialist has made it clear why he doesn't want to enter into a PM conversation with you. That doesn't make him 'a nasty bit of goods' or 'a shit'.

You can't claim someone is bullying you and then have a go at them when they no longer wish to engage with you.
 
equationgirl said:
Cut it out. Existentialist has made it clear why he doesn't want to enter into a PM conversation with you. That doesn't make him 'a nasty bit of goods' or 'a shit'.

You can't claim someone is bullying you and then have a go at them when they no longer wish to engage with you.
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Fuck off.
He got what he asked for by pm.
He got the author of the programme, the names of other groups involved and I told him he can contact my place of work for more info. He didn't acknowledge that he'd received all of that. Didn't say thanks...nothing. he just replied with a load of shite about me.
All through this thread he has called me "coy" and "suspected" that the programme didnt exist. He has "suspected" lots of crap.
He's a bit of a windbag full of his own self importance who likes to dissect people online....I am not happy with his shitty insinuations throughout this thread. I am really not happy with the way he has decided it was ok to make personal comments about me either.

That's really all I want to say on this thread.

Ps. Seven years counselling is not as you seem to think "extremely experienced".
:rolleyes:
 
Pickman's model said:
oh no :(

existentialist, tell me you're not petsonalising this :mad:
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I am sorry, but I cannot tell a lie.

Urban, hard as this is for me to admit, I do have this confession to make. Not only have I, wilfully and with malice aforethought, gone around these boards capitalising, theorising, proselytising and - yes - personalising with gay abandon, but I have, it must be said, been guilty of repeat and flagrant petsonalising. I have tried to stop: for years, I refused to admit that I had a problem, then, having realised that this wasn't just the occasional bit of casual petsonalising from time to time, but a pattern of repeated and unashamed petsonalising, I though I could control it and stop it any time I wanted.

Now I know different. Now my secret is out.

Urban, my name is existentialist and I am a...petsonaliser. There. I've said it. They say the first step is realising you have a problem.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Fuck off.
He got what he asked for by pm.
He got the author of the programme, the names of other groups involved and I told him he can contact my place of work for more info. He didn't acknowledge that he'd received all of that. Didn't say thanks...nothing. he just replied with a load of shite about me.
All through this thread he has called me "coy" and "suspected" that the programme didnt exist. He has "suspected" lots of crap.
He's a bit of a windbag full of his own self importance who likes to dissect people online....I am not happy with his shitty insinuations throughout this thread. I am really not happy with the way he has decided it was ok to make personal comments about me either.

That's really all I want to say on this thread.

Ps. Seven years counselling is not as you seem to think "extremely experienced".
:rolleyes:
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I asked you ON THE THREAD to cite your sources. You haven't actually refused, but have made two contacts with my by PM, both of which I have replied to to say "don't contact me by PM", and you certainly haven't backed up your insistence that your loony ideas about abuse are backed up by anything serious.

The word "coy" I used to refer to the way in which you seemed strangely reluctant to cite your sources. I don't quite know why you've got such a hair up your arse about it - unless it's just another example of you finding something to be OUTRAGED about so as to divert attention from the great plank in your own eye.

"I suspect" is a moderately polite way - as I think Pickman's model has observed - of saying "you're talking rubbish". I find it amusing (there's another one for you - you can accuse me of "laughing at you", or something) that such innocuous terms seem to arouse such huge anger in you, considering the alternative.

I suspect the "windbag full of his own self-importance" is a reference to me providing the professional credentials you demanded I produce (rather less politely than my demand that you back up your claims, and with considerably more success, you will note). You can't have it both ways: if I had refused to provide those, you would have insisted I had something to hide; the fact that I have done apparently damns me because I'm trying to big myself up.

Finally, if you have a problem with the way I have behaved towards you on this thread, then I positively INSIST that you report the posts in question to the mods. Put up or shut up: I don't believe I have been unreasonable in how I have dealt with you, but I am not sitting here bleating about how howwible you are being to me either. Personally, I think you need to get over yourself, take your lumps, and stop derailing this thread with your personal tantrums. I'll be quite glad when that happens, as I imagine will quite a few others.

ETA: oh, and how long have YOU been a qualified professional in the child protection field, since we seem to be trading qualifications, now? Again, this coyness about your credentials at the same time as being only too willing to rudely demand others' is...interesting.
 
existentialist said:
I am sorry, but I cannot tell a lie.

Urban, hard as this is for me to admit, I do have this confession to make. Not only have I, wilfully and with malice aforethought, gone around these boards capitalising, theorising, proselytising and - yes - personalising with gay abandon, but I have, it must be said, been guilty of repeat and flagrant petsonalising. I have tried to stop: for years, I refused to admit that I had a problem, then, having realised that this wasn't just the occasional bit of casual petsonalising from time to time, but a pattern of repeated and unashamed petsonalising, I though I could control it and stop it any time I wanted.

Now I know different. Now my secret is out.

Urban, my name is existentialist and I am a...petsonaliser. There. I've said it. They say the first step is realising you have a problem.
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existentialist said:
I asked you ON THE THREAD to cite your sources. You haven't actually refused, but have made two contacts with my by PM, both of which I have replied to to say "don't contact me by PM", and you certainly haven't backed up your insistence that your loony ideas about abuse are backed up by anything serious.

The word "coy" I used to refer to the way in which you seemed strangely reluctant to cite your sources. I don't quite know why you've got such a hair up your arse about it - unless it's just another example of you finding something to be OUTRAGED about so as to divert attention from the great plank in your own eye.

"I suspect" is a moderately polite way - as I think Pickman's model has observed - of saying "you're talking rubbish". I find it amusing (there's another one for you - you can accuse me of "laughing at you", or something) that such innocuous terms seem to arouse such huge anger in you, considering the alternative.

I suspect the "windbag full of his own self-importance" is a reference to me providing the professional credentials you demanded I produce (rather less politely than my demand that you back up your claims, and with considerably more success, you will note). You can't have it both ways: if I had refused to provide those, you would have insisted I had something to hide; the fact that I have done apparently damns me because I'm trying to big myself up.

Finally, if you have a problem with the way I have behaved towards you on this thread, then I positively INSIST that you report the posts in question to the mods. Put up or shut up: I don't believe I have been unreasonable in how I have dealt with you, but I am not sitting here bleating about how howwible you are being to me either. Personally, I think you need to get over yourself, take your lumps, and stop derailing this thread with your personal tantrums. I'll be quite glad when that happens, as I imagine will quite a few others.
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Again with the smoke and mirrors.
Would you like to post the pms? Go on. Seeing as you are now inferring that they were a problem for you. ...

Or shall I?
 
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