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the sir jimmy savile obe thread

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He was right. I would have taken your line too. He died literally just before it all came out. I would have said 'you're airing your prejudices'. And he was. But he was right.
Nowt to do with me really, OU, but I do think this makes it clear what c66 meant. The 'but he was right', bit is obviously about Savile being a nonce, not that he was right about there being a bachelor/nonce connection.
 
existentialist i think you're spot on with the children sometimes having an inbuilt radar, that certainly makes them feel creeped out by certain individuals. Even if they can't articulate why.
Being a kid in the seventies I clearly remember getting that feeling with savile and jonathan king and even stuart hall. They all demonstrated that same falseness to me...the forced jollity and the hollow laugh.They didn't ring true. In saviles case i thought he was always angry and badly masking it.

It wasn't a foolproof sense though. I thought Ken Dodd fell into the same camp, but had gary glitter posters on the wall and queued up for Rolf's autograph . :(

i had the same feeling about Seville when I was young. Also about Michael Barrymore (not a nonce, very likely dodgy as fuck). I have had cause to wonder whether it was prescience. Thing is, I also had that feeling about Christopher Biggins, who afaik is a really nice bloke... I think what they actually had in common was that way of joking with the kid but in a way that left the child to embarrassed to know what to say. A bit banter-y (flirty?), but because they're talking to a kid, there's a power imbalance to do with confidence and wit etc.

Anyway, yeah. I think that was the common factor, rather than nascent "nonce-dar", in my case.
 
Nowt to do with me really, OU, but I do think this makes it clear what c66 meant. The 'but he was right, bit is obviously about Savile being a nonce, not that he was right about there being a bachelor/nonce connection.
Indeed. So his initial assertion was incorrect and a misrepresentation of what his dad said.
 
TBF, it was only C66 repeating his dad's (correct, as it happens, in this case) opinion. I wonder if you're reading more into it than is entirely necessary?
I'm not reading anything into it. I just don't like lazy assumptions being paraded about without much thought.
 
Indeed. So his initial assertion was incorrect and a misrepresentation of what his dad said.

How is it a misrepresentation of what my dad said when my dad didn't fucking say it? Are you actually reading what I'm typing in your pursuit of your politically correct arm stripes?
 
I think it's pretty obvious that C66 is just a bit sensitive about people putting the boot in on his late dad. Don't people think a bit of sensitivity on their part might be called for, too?
But it wasn't about his dad at all! It was about what c66 said about him
 
To what ends though? To prove my dead dad was a cunt? Or that I'm a cunt about my dead dad? On a thread about a serious issue too. You're a disgrace.
Neither. I was annoyed that someone had posted something that made out that Jimmy Savile was a wrong un cos he hung out with kids and was unmarried. As someone who is unmarried and works with kids, I sought to challenge this notion. Then you took it as an insult to your dad and you escalated it unreasonably.
 
FFS, you now know what c66 meant, what are you after? I really hope you are not playing some game of wanting him to castigate his dad's opinions so something lines up on the internet. He might have been a bit naughty with the meet up stuff, but why are you pushing this?
I'm not pushing it! I'm the one who's getting someone in his face for questioning a daft comment.
 
I'm not pushing it! I'm the one who's getting someone in his face for questioning a daft comment.
Do you think c66 thinks there's a link between bachelordom and noncery? I'll assume the answer is no. Any more to be said? Yeah, okay, something was said a couple of pages ago - you and others objected - he clarified.
 
Neither. I was annoyed that someone had posted something that made out that Jimmy Savile was a wrong un cos he hung out with kids and was unmarried. As someone who is unmarried and works with kids, I sought to challenge this notion. Then you took it as an insult to your dad and you escalated it unreasonably.

No. I said my dad thought Jimmy was a wrong un and gave a brief synopsis as to why. My dad can't have anything against bachelors as he was one once too. I couldn't give more depth because I was told this after he had died. Do you want me to try the ouija board for further info or what?
 
Do you think c66 thinks there's a link between bachelordom and noncery? I'll assume the answer is no. Any more to be said? Yeah, okay, something was said a couple of pages ago - you and others objected - he clarified.
NO I DONT! I just think he unthinkingly posted something which perpetuated a myth about people who work with kids. It's one of those dreadful gossipy comments that need challenging.
 
NO I DONT! I just think he unthinkingly posted something which perpetuated a myth about people who work with kids. It's one of those dreadful gossipy comments that need challenging.
If he was doing that he'd deserve to be challenged. Apart from the fact he was only quoting his Dad's opinion, second hand, he's clarified what he meant - he's clarified on exactly that point.
 
NO I DONT! I just think he unthinkingly posted something which perpetuated a myth about people who work with kids. It's one of those dreadful gossipy comments that need challenging.
time and place though OU, when you're laying into someone's dead dad to make a point in the internet it's time to have a word with yourself IMO, especially when you carry it on after it's fucking obvious that it's a sensitive subject.
 
Tbf saying 'he was a wrongun as he was a bachelor who was always around kids' was a pretty shitty comment to make. I can see why this would get someone's back up, particularly someone who is male, bachelor or not, and who works with kids because it is a prejudice that exists and it needs challenging, Saville has made this prejudice worse and that was what I was trying to get at earlier. OU was right to challenge it, C66 has clarified so let's all move along eh?
 
If he was doing that he'd deserve to be challenged. Apart from the fact he was only quoting his Dad's opinion, second hand, he's clarified what he meant - he's clarified on exactly that point.
Sure, but it was unfortunate that it was said in the first place.
 
time and place though OU, when you're laying into someone's dead dad to make a point in the internet it's time to have a word with yourself IMO, especially when you carry it on after it's fucking obvious that it's a sensitive subject.
No one's laying into anyone's dad. I was objecting to a post not a person.
 
As I'd have thought you'd have known being from the Leeds area, Saville's kiddie fiddler status was open knowledge (ok strong rumour) when I was a kid. C66's dad probably had a lot more to go on than just him being a batchelor.
 
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