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the sir jimmy savile obe thread

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existentialist said:
But I have never been so glad not to have been watched from the corner of the living room by the haunted lantern as I have been in the last few years as its role as conduit for a seemingly endless selection of perverts, pederasts, and otherwise unpleasant characters has become more and more evident...
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It's thoroughly unsurprising in some ways though. The ridiculous magnification that mass-media fame entails is going to occasionally bring into view areas of society that always had at least their fair share of dubious and abusive characters. Like so much else in society, what has changed is the scale, in terms of attention, opportunity to abuse, institutions that the abuser works within, opportunity for society to belatedly explore the revelations and make some attempt at reform.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
I actually googled the person who I'm reliably informed has quite a few reports against them where no further action was taken. As soon as this Saville stuff broke I immediately thought whether this person will come in to the spot light. It turns out this person is indeed 73. If it ever comes to light it'll be bigger than anything else that's come to light so far in this regard.
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pm pls
 
Citizen66 said:
He was right. I would have taken your line too. He died literally just before it all came out. I would have said 'you're airing your prejudices'. And he was. But he was right.
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He was right that he was a paedophile bit his reasoning was wrong and prejudiced
 
Orang Utan said:
He was right that he was a paedophile bit his reasoning was wrong and prejudiced
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I suspect there was more to it than just 'bachelor who hangs around kids', I found out about his view posthumously from my mother. He's dead, he was right. Is there any use in attacking his own character at this juncture? I certainly can't pass your criticisms on.
 
Citizen66 said:
He was right. I would have taken your line too. He died literally just before it all came out. I would have said 'you're airing your prejudices'. And he was. But he was right.
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Well, let's face it...if you're in the pederasty game, wives (or any close domestic partner) are inconvenient, and it goes without saying that hanging around kids is going to be a useful skill.

But that doesn't mean that every confirmed bachelor who gets on with kids is a perv...and it doesn't mean that every happily married man with kids of his own is "safe". I have heard of a prolific abuser who was, to all intents and purposes, a happily married man with a lovely wife and a young kid, and another who was single and lived with his elderly mum and dad.

Prejudices and stereotypes are those things for a very good reason - they're the "voice of experience". But judging by those alone is a great way of coming up with both false positives and negatives, so it pays to be a bit cautious. Both ways.
 
Citizen66 said:
I suspect there was more to it than just 'bachelor who hangs around kids', I found out about his view posthumously from my mother. He's dead, he was right. Is there any use in attacking his own character at this juncture? I certainly can't pass your criticisms on.
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Not attacking anyone's character, just objecting to a myth being perpetuated that anyone childless who works with kids has questionable motives
 
Orang Utan said:
Not attacking anyone's character, just objecting to a myth being perpetuated that anyone childless who works with kids has questionable motives
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He said it specifically about Jimmy Savile. And he was right. It never struck me that he held that view about everyone else who was a bachelor who worked with kids, nor did I suggest that.
 
There was probably more to it. There's plenty of evidence on youtube of his touchy feely ways live on broadcast TV. His need to put his arm around 'young ladies' he spoke to or jiggling a Nolan sister's tit. If it's now my dad in the spotlight and his supposed prejudices you're a fucking arsehole.
 
Orang Utan said:
Not attacking anyone's character, just objecting to a myth being perpetuated that anyone childless who works with kids has questionable motives
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To be fair, I think the prejudicial stereotype was rather more narrowly drawn than that.

It better fucking had be - I'm a childless man who works with kids, albeit married, respectable, DBS checks up to my eyeballs, etc...for what that's worth ;)
 
Citizen66 said:
There was probably more to it. There's plenty of evidence on youtube of his touchy feely ways live on broadcast TV. His need to put his arm around 'young ladies' he spoke to or jiggling a Nolan sister's tit. If it's now my dad in the spotlight you're a fucking arsehole.
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No one's putting your dad in the spotlight. You're the one who mentioned him. I'm just questioning a crap attitude that you seemed happy to perpetuate with the post I just quoted again
 
existentialist said:
To be fair, I think the prejudicial stereotype was rather more narrowly drawn than that.

It better fucking had be - I'm a childless man who works with kids, albeit married, respectable, DBS checks up to my eyeballs, etc...
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There's a massive depth to it which I guess formed my dad's opinion. He was a good judge of character, I'll give him that.
 
Orang Utan said:
No one's putting your dad in the spotlight. You're the one who mentioned him. I'm just questioning a crap attitude that you seemed happy to perpetuate with the post I just quoted again
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I gave a brief synopsis of his view about Jimmy Savile. You've now turned it around to mean that he thought that about ALL bachelors working with kids. Do you want to meet up and discuss this further you middle class twat?
 
Citizen66 said:
I gave a brief synopsis of his view about Jimmy Savile. You've now turned it around to mean that he thought that about ALL bachelors working with kids. Do you want to meet up and discuss this further you middle class twat?
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Steady on.
I was just reacting to the words you posted and you said your dad knew he was a wrong un due to him being a bachelor who hangs around kids. I took exception to such an assumption being trumpeted on a thread like this and now you're throwing out insults. And bringing class into it? Wtf?
 
I had a good thirty-eight years of my dad before he died. I expressed a view he made to me via my mum after he died. She obviously said it in brief and he wasn't around for me to probe further but he hadn't expressed that view in a generalised way in any time in his life - hence it was specific. I wish I'd never posted it because I should have fucking known it was him who'd now be on trial. This place is fucking disgusting sometimes. Learn about nuances for fuck's sake.
 
Orang Utan said:
Steady on.
I was just reacting to the words you posted and you said your dad knew he was a wrong un due to him being a bachelor who hangs around kids. I took exception to such an assumption being trumpeted on a thread like this and now you're throwing out insults. And bringing class into it? Wtf?
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TBF, it was only C66 repeating his dad's (correct, as it happens, in this case) opinion. I wonder if you're reading more into it than is entirely necessary?
 
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