Theisticle
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Pretty consistent with the polls that showed women more likely to distrust Salmond.
The Scottish independence referendum polling thread
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DairyQueen
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So the 65+ have made sure that young people are stuck in their union. Well, that is depressing.
DairyQueen
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Or a lot of the 65+ are women?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think dismissing their interests (or appearing to those voters to do so) maybe something the YES people would like to concentrate on addressing in any future election.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The under 24s were also majority against.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Young people are generally pretty conservative - particularly this generation.
DairyQueen
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It is impossible. Their vote was not dismissed. It is just the types of people they are. People knock on their doors, try to explain their pension is safe, that the Mail is just propaganda, but they don't listen.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
They may well be. I was just replying to DairyQueen 's point about the 65+ people ensuring the young people would be stuck in the union - when the young people also voted that way.
DairyQueen
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Eh? The 18-24 group marginally voted in no. The rest were convincing yes.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Good to know that this isn't dismissing people.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
One year 16-17 year olds. 18-24 year olds voted no. Unless you're suggesting that the numbers of 16-17 year olds are higher than 18-24 year olds?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, I know. It was a fair point.
DairyQueen
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What? I would include anyone under 35/40 as young. They have a working career ahead of them. A pretty shite one in the UK.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
So the 65+ ensured the staying in the union of the young people up to 40. And of those young people the majority of those under 24 voted the same way. Leaving those less young people but still young as far as you're concerned. Got it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
this is a similar thing to the dismissal of the UKIP vote as all being old fat tories isn't it?
the people I have spoken to who voted no are pretty left-leaning and aren't like that at all.
DairyQueen
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What are you talking about, the 65+ voted to no, the 16-35 (or 16-40) voted yes. What is hard to understand? Of course groups within both those age groups voted in different ways.
DairyQueen
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Stop saying their views were dismissed. You have no idea how many times these people were canvassed.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I wonder who they were canvassed by though and what was said? might have had an effect.
Theisticle
Well-Known Member
Or quite simply...
Whichever pollster you examine, two trends stick out: women are more likely to be no voters than men, and the older those sampled are the more they are opposed to change. The latter is accentuated by the demographic fact that as you move up the age scale there are more Scottish females alive than Scottish males.
All the evidence is that those in the 60-plus group are more likely to be on the electoral register, more likely to vote and much less likely to change their minds. While all other age groups were moving to yes in the YouGov poll the oldies were two to one in favour of no and the proportion was increasing. While the 60-plus group remains solid then it is likely to prevail.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-opinion-polls-yougov-over-60s-vote-is-vital
Whichever pollster you examine, two trends stick out: women are more likely to be no voters than men, and the older those sampled are the more they are opposed to change. The latter is accentuated by the demographic fact that as you move up the age scale there are more Scottish females alive than Scottish males.
All the evidence is that those in the 60-plus group are more likely to be on the electoral register, more likely to vote and much less likely to change their minds. While all other age groups were moving to yes in the YouGov poll the oldies were two to one in favour of no and the proportion was increasing. While the 60-plus group remains solid then it is likely to prevail.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-opinion-polls-yougov-over-60s-vote-is-vital
DairyQueen
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The fact of the matter is 80 year-old women were being bombarded with total loony news stories about how violent the yes campaign was (not true), how their pensions will be taken away (not true), how lovely and brave no campaigners were (not true), how they would be poor in independence (not true), how the SNP were basically Nazis like in world war 2 (not true), etc.
If you think that's fine. Wait until you get to vote in England on something important. You'll realise how fucked as a country we truly are.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I don't think it's fine. I wanted yes to win. Im just saying you can't say that accounts for why 55% of the population voted no on a record turnout. And the people I have spoken to are all under 50 by the way.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Groups within the groups you've chosen voted in different ways. And what about the 40-65s? You can split those groups up in various ways, depending on the point you want to make. A clear majority of those over 35 voted 'no', for instance. It appears that there was a peak enthusiasm for 'yes' among the very young and those around 30.
It's an interesting split, but it's a hell of a stretch to claim that the over-65s scuppered it for the rest.
I think that's really underestimating 80 year old women tbh.
Theisticle
Well-Known Member
72% of no voters knew a year ahead of time/always knew they would vote no [Ashcroft polls]. So the idea a majority of old folk were spooked by negative 'Yes' tactical scare stories is probably bollocks.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
One might almost say dismissing them
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh if 'no' had won among every single demographic, that would have been a totally crushing defeat.
AnandLeo
Tipple Ripple
Sigh of relief this morning for the United Kingdom and for many other parts of the world with the outcome of the referendum for independence of Scotland. The Nationalist leaders must have been prepared for this result, and simultaneously hoping for a momentous victory for their course. With the chequered history, independence is an aspiration for the nationalist movement of Scotland driven by the objective to solve their economic and social problems and manage their own affairs. However, the better together campaign proposes negotiated devolution of powers to Scottish parliament and people to manage their own affairs and shape their economy and welfare. The crux of the matter for the better together campaign is that rest of the UK and their allies of the world are better off with the current United Kingdom. For that to be maintained the UK has a duty to appease the Scottish nationalists by making amends with their political views.
Aside, the West Lothian question in my view rattles UK parliamentary system in London – apart from other weaknesses, as it challenges the position of the Scottish MPs who become Ministers and Prime Ministers of UK government.
Anyhow, the outcome of the referendum is universally seen as the best solution, subject to the UK government is able to implement the desired change by the Scotland and to work in good agreement with the Scottish government.
Aside, the West Lothian question in my view rattles UK parliamentary system in London – apart from other weaknesses, as it challenges the position of the Scottish MPs who become Ministers and Prime Ministers of UK government.
Anyhow, the outcome of the referendum is universally seen as the best solution, subject to the UK government is able to implement the desired change by the Scotland and to work in good agreement with the Scottish government.
That looks more like channelling how devastated you are about the No vote than anything else. Completely get that, but you're not actually analysing anything. Just blaming .... and blaming the electorate most.
As a partly
refomed former electorate-blamer myself I recognise the symptoms ....
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
William, could not care less of your two cents. We are going to get a rewriting of history from the London-based intelligentsia and I really can't be bothered trying to convince you that this campaign has been thoroughly undemocratic.
By all means patronise and pat me on the back.
If England ever has a vote that matters, you will see how shoddy things really are. But we all know you will never be asked to vote on anything important.
By all means patronise and pat me on the back.
If England ever has a vote that matters, you will see how shoddy things really are. But we all know you will never be asked to vote on anything important.
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