The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not

[lazythursday]

Raja Miah is an inflammatory local Oldham figure who loves to stir the pot and absolutely cannot be trusted on this issue. The paranoid style in Oldham politics

 

[ddraig]

How long before keir drags the whole if the labour party in gutter.

going to ignore all the other posts and keep on??

 

[Eric Jarvis]

How long before keir drags the whole if the labour party in gutter.

It's already there.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

do the starmer contingent give a monkeys about having actual party members?

the absence of ordinary people, who might be left wing, working class, or who might float awkward questions via conference, might be seen as a good thing...

 

[Boo Radley75]

do the starmer contingent give a monkeys about having actual party members?

the absence of ordinary people, who might be left wing, working class, or who might float awkward questions via conference, might be seen as a good thing...

The lack of boots on the streets is always tough for them, if they drive hardcore members away. In my own town, it's noticeable the lack of Labour campaigners on the streets and leaflets delivered, compared to the Corbyn days.

 

[BusLanes]

That's probably everywhere tho now, especially noticeable in areas without large local Labour elected reps.

Lambeth has 58 Labour councillors and 4 Labour MPs, so they can put on a good show if they need to.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The lack of boots on the streets is always tough for them, if they drive hardcore members away. In my own town, it's noticeable the lack of Labour campaigners on the streets and leaflets delivered, compared to the Corbyn days.

do they see that as still relevant, though?

is the future (as they see it) more social media / AI generated crap / writing articles in the murdoch press?

 

[brogdale]

do they see that as still relevant, though?

is the future (as they see it) more social media / AI generated crap / writing articles in the murdoch press?

That stuff might replace the leafletting element of campaigning, but the actual full electoral cycle data gathering by door knocking or phone banking takes competent, willing and enthusiastic 'boots on the ground'. And the use of that data to GTVO on election days also requires actual activists prepared to put in a shift.

 

[Elohim]

do they see that as still relevant, though?

is the future (as they see it) more social media / AI generated crap / writing articles in the murdoch press?

Eventually Keir may ban all opposition so then no need for elections.

 

[Elohim]

going to ignore all the other posts and keep on??

Keep on what

 

[ddraig]

Keep on what

Spreading your poisonous bull shit and "insider knowledge" to fit your dodgy agenda and view

 

[ddraig]

Eventually Keir may ban all opposition so then no need for elections.

Where do you get this shit?? Elections however pathetic "legitimalise" political parties

 

[Elohim]

Spreading your poisonous bull shit and "insider knowledge" to fit your dodgy agenda and view

Need to elaborate abit there dangerous bullshit ? Are you still a labour member

 

[Elohim]

Spreading your poisonous bull shit and "insider knowledge" to fit your dodgy agenda and view

Is this because I dared to ask questions regarding Raja Miah ? These questions are in the public eye right now your response is like being back on the CLP chat group

What Raja Miah is saying about the labour party is it true or false and if its false then the labour party can start taking this man to court slander/libel.
At the moment grooming gang cover ups are a hot topic now we have 2 options scream far right propaghanda and eventually ReformUK conduct their own enquiry or we challenge the labour party to see if these allegations are true or false.

 

[Elohim]

Raja Miah is an inflammatory local Oldham figure who loves to stir the pot and absolutely cannot be trusted on this issue. The paranoid style in Oldham politics

Yes you are right but has any of the allegations regarding the labour party carry any substance?

 

[ddraig]

Is this because I dared to ask questions regarding Raja Miah ? These questions are in the public eye right now your response is like being back on the CLP chat group

What Raja Miah is saying about the labour party is it true or false and if its false then the labour party can start taking this man to court slander/libel.
At the moment grooming gang cover ups are a hot topic now we have 2 options scream far right propaghanda and eventually ReformUK conduct their own enquiry or we challenge the labour party to see if these allegations are true or false.

No your claiming that the sicko is a Muslim as you "know" they've been going to prayers
Also, you skipped a load of points put to you as you can't or won't answer them
Calling you out doesn't make me a labour supporter you know! grow up

 

[brogdale]

Have we ever discussed the name of the party? Not wishing to sound too much like the brewdog thread's greatest troll, but isn't the company/"party"name Reform a bit of genius marketing?

Starting with the established, usual meaning of the term, it signals a differentiation from the established right who seek to conserve and an intent to make changes that bring about improvement. It also implies changes to established institutions that, potentially, appeals to the disaffected voters and implies that the party has an 'insurgent' element in conflict with the incumbent parties of Government.

For the politically literate voter the term also has a meaning implying an anti-revolutionary, gradualist or reformist agenda that might appeal those thirsty for change, but not too much change. Some older voters may also even see, maybe subconsciously, a nod to authoritarianism in the name; they may be old enough to remember Reform schools where were 'bad' youths were sent for correction?

My final thought relates to the provenance of the party; born out of the collapse of UKIP and the Brexit party, which both had redundant titles to closely associated with the limp failure of withdrawal from the supra-state, the notion of reform gives Falange the ideal platform to simultaneously take credit for the "independence" whist also saying how the established parties had blown the opportunities it afforded; brexit just need reform for the golden age to arrive!

I dunno, we laugh at the Falangist project/company, but maybe that choice of party name was pretty smart?

 

[Elohim]

No your claiming that the sicko is a Muslim as you "know" they've been going to prayers
Also, you skipped a load of points put to you as you can't or won't answer them
Calling you out doesn't make me a labour supporter you know! grow up

Which points ?
Regarding to prayers yes it's all on you tube these could well be allegations but also being in a dangerous environment going to prayers would offer some protection.

 

[Elohim]

Have we ever discussed the name of the party? Not wishing to sound too much like the brewdog thread's greatest troll, but isn't the company/"party"name Reform a bit of genius marketing?

Starting with the established, usual meaning of the term, it signals a differentiation from the established right who seek to conserve and an intent to make changes that bring about improvement. It also implies changes to established institutions that, potentially, appeals to the disaffected voters and implies that the party has an 'insurgent' element in conflict with the incumbent parties of Government.

For the politically literate voter the term also has a meaning implying an anti-revolutionary, gradualist or reformist agenda that might appeal those thirsty for change, but not too much change. Some older voters may also even see, maybe subconsciously, a nod to authoritarianism in the name; they may be old enough to remember Reform schools where were 'bad' youths were sent for correction?

My final thought relates to the provenance of the party; born out of the collapse of UKIP and the Brexit party, which both had redundant titles to closely associated with the limp failure of withdrawal from the supra-state, the notion of reform gives Falange the ideal platform to simultaneously take credit for the "independence" whist also saying how the established parties had blown the opportunities it afforded; brexit just need reform for the golden age to arrive!

I dunno, we laugh at the Falangist project/company, but maybe that choice of party name was pretty smart?

Farage will make alot of financial gain out of the party and I suspect more and more conservative and Labour voters will switch.
At the moment there is a massive vacuum politically .

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Farage will make alot of financial gain out of the party and I suspect more and more conservative and Labour voters will switch.
At the moment there is a massive vacuum politically .

That is correct. How do you think the left can fill the vacuum?

 

[Elohim]

That is correct. How do you think the left can fill the vacuum?

Thats a very good question not to sure but someone's going to have to get the answers very quick

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Thats a very good question not to sure but someone's going to have to get the answers very quick

What would you do?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Have we ever discussed the name of the party? Not wishing to sound too much like the brewdog thread's greatest troll, but isn't the company/"party"name Reform a bit of genius marketing?

Starting with the established, usual meaning of the term, it signals a differentiation from the established right who seek to conserve and an intent to make changes that bring about improvement. It also implies changes to established institutions that, potentially, appeals to the disaffected voters and implies that the party has an 'insurgent' element in conflict with the incumbent parties of Government.

For the politically literate voter the term also has a meaning implying an anti-revolutionary, gradualist or reformist agenda that might appeal those thirsty for change, but not too much change. Some older voters may also even see, maybe subconsciously, a nod to authoritarianism in the name; they may be old enough to remember Reform schools where were 'bad' youths were sent for correction?

My final thought relates to the provenance of the party; born out of the collapse of UKIP and the Brexit party, which both had redundant titles to closely associated with the limp failure of withdrawal from the supra-state, the notion of reform gives Falange the ideal platform to simultaneously take credit for the "independence" whist also saying how the established parties had blown the opportunities it afforded; brexit just need reform for the golden age to arrive!

I dunno, we laugh at the Falangist project/company, but maybe that choice of party name was pretty smart?

I totally agree, from a marketing and messaging point of view, the Reform name is perfect for their project.

And, somewhat more successful than 'Change UK', remember them?

 

[Elohim]

What would you do?

What would I do.

Universal basic income £2500 monthly to each over 18s and end benefits system.

Take the lottery away from Camelot and have a lottery that funds NHS and schools and other essential services instead.

Full Public enquiry regarding grooming gangs .

That would be a little bit of a start.

 

[Elohim]

What would you do?

What would you do

 

[mentalchik]

What would I do.

Universal basic income £2500 monthly to each over 18s and end benefits system.

Take the lottery away from Camelot and have a lottery that funds NHS and schools and other essential services instead.

Full Public enquiry regarding grooming gangs .

That would be a little bit of a start.

Camelot haven't owned the lottery since last February....it's owned by the Allwyn Group

 

[Elohim]

Camelot haven't owned the lottery since last February....it's owned by the Allwyn Group

Would make more sense for the lottery to be publicly owned to fund our essential services the only reason is not is because too many brown envelopes circling.

 

[Dogsauce]

I totally agree, from a marketing and messaging point of view, the Reform name is perfect for their project.

And, somewhat more successful than 'Change UK', remember them?

I tend to think of it as being more like reformed meat.

 

[magneze]

Have we ever discussed the name of the party? Not wishing to sound too much like the brewdog thread's greatest troll, but isn't the company/"party"name Reform a bit of genius marketing?

Starting with the established, usual meaning of the term, it signals a differentiation from the established right who seek to conserve and an intent to make changes that bring about improvement. It also implies changes to established institutions that, potentially, appeals to the disaffected voters and implies that the party has an 'insurgent' element in conflict with the incumbent parties of Government.

For the politically literate voter the term also has a meaning implying an anti-revolutionary, gradualist or reformist agenda that might appeal those thirsty for change, but not too much change. Some older voters may also even see, maybe subconsciously, a nod to authoritarianism in the name; they may be old enough to remember Reform schools where were 'bad' youths were sent for correction?

My final thought relates to the provenance of the party; born out of the collapse of UKIP and the Brexit party, which both had redundant titles to closely associated with the limp failure of withdrawal from the supra-state, the notion of reform gives Falange the ideal platform to simultaneously take credit for the "independence" whist also saying how the established parties had blown the opportunities it afforded; brexit just need reform for the golden age to arrive!

I dunno, we laugh at the Falangist project/company, but maybe that choice of party name was pretty smart?

Agreed, it's perfect.

However, Labour could neutralize it by their actions in government but what they actually do is: Rachel Reeves to soften changes to non-dom tax regime after hearing ‘concerns’

 

[lazythursday]

Would make more sense for the lottery to be publicly owned to fund our essential services the only reason is not is because too many brown envelopes circling.

Completely agree the lottery shouldn't be run by a private company but 'brown envelopes' have got fuck all to do with it.

The profits from the lottery aren't spent by the private company. They are given straight over to the various lottery grant distributors (National Lottery Community Fund / National Lottery Heritage Fund / Sport England / Arts Council etc). Charities and sometimes councils apply to these for money through a completely open process.

If instead the lottery funded essential services like the NHS a huge amount of charitable activity in this country would immediately collapse. It keeps loads of stuff afloat. It's taxes (with more on wealth) that should fund essential services not poor people buying a fucking lottery ticket.