The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not

[Elohim]

Completely agree the lottery shouldn't be run by a private company but 'brown envelopes' have got fuck all to do with it.

The profits from the lottery aren't spent by the private company. They are given straight over to the various lottery grant distributors (National Lottery Community Fund / National Lottery Heritage Fund / Sport England / Arts Council etc). Charities and sometimes councils apply to these for money through a completely open process.

If instead the lottery funded essential services like the NHS a huge amount of charitable activity in this country would immediately collapse. It keeps loads of stuff afloat. It's taxes (with more on wealth) that should fund essential services not poor people buying a fucking lottery ticket.

Why do you call everyone who buys a lottery ticket poor?
The lottery would be better funding essential services NHS, mental health services , Detox/Rehabilitation etc

I very much doubt all the profits from the lottery are spent on charity causes don't forget alot of charities have become more like corporations and have fat cat CEOs at the top and people in poverty often doing the actual work.

 

[klang]

so non-lottery-ticket-buyers would be to blame for underfunding of essential services?

 

[lazythursday]

Why do you call everyone who buys a lottery ticket poor?
The lottery would be better funding essential services NHS, mental health services , Detox/Rehabilitation etc

I very much doubt all the profits from the lottery are spent on charity causes don't forget alot of charities have become more like corporations and have fat cat CEOs at the top and people in poverty often doing the actual work.

Not everyone is poor - but more people play the National Lottery in poorer regions o f the country.

As someone who has applied for grants I can assure you you are completely wrong. You can take some money to cover overheads (which includes the CEO salary) but the vast majority goes on project delivery. If there was no lottery funding for charities, sports etc we would be an even more miserable country. And some lottery money does already go on mental health initiatives anyway. Pay for public services through progressive taxes ffs, then it is fair.

 

[a_chap]

...alot of charities have become more like corporations and have fat cat CEOs at the top and people in poverty often doing the actual work.

Really?

Name these charities with fat cat CEOs and people in poverty doing the "actual work".

 

[lazythursday]

Really?

Name these charities with fat cat CEOs and people in poverty doing the "actual work".

I think Elohim is quite right that there are some large charities with very well paid management teams and poorly paid frontline staff. Charities can be terrible employers sometimes. But the charity sector is really diverse and most charities are small and local.

 

[Sue]

Would make more sense for the lottery to be publicly owned to fund our essential services the only reason is not is because too many brown envelopes circling.

Or you know essential services could be funded by tax rather than depending on gambling? Crazy idea I know.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do you call everyone who buys a lottery ticket poor?
The lottery would be better funding essential services NHS, mental health services , Detox/Rehabilitation etc

I very much doubt all the profits from the lottery are spent on charity causes don't forget alot of charities have become more like corporations and have fat cat CEOs at the top and people in poverty often doing the actual work.

why do you separate the nhs from mental health services and detox / rehab?

 

[a_chap]

I think Elohim is quite right that there are some large charities with very well paid management teams and poorly paid frontline staff.

Name them.

 

[lazythursday]

Name them.

I used to work for a charity - it's not exactly a controversial view that pay within the sector is often poor. I'm not going to name specific charities as that will take a fuck load of research - I don't want to name those I know personally as I could help make me identifiable. I don't agree with the often expressed view that all the money gets stuffed into management's pockets but christ I saw some poor practice during my stint in the sector so I don't think everything is rosy either.

 

[smokedout]

Name them.

British Heart Foundation - CEO on £218,400, sales assistants on minimum wage with much of the heavy work carried out by people on community payback or Jobcentre work experience schemes who don't get paid at all. Lots of other charities who run shops are the same.

 

[smokedout]

St Mungos - from UNITE - CEO pay stands at £189,000 while the lowest paid workers get just £20,000

I could do this all day.

 

[The39thStep]

Or you know essential services could be funded by tax rather than depending on gambling? Crazy idea I know.

Tankie

 

[a_chap]

British Heart Foundation - CEO on £218,400, sales assistants on minimum wage with much of the heavy work carried out by people on community payback or Jobcentre work experience schemes who don't get paid at all. Lots of other charities who run shops are the same.

Get people to boycott the BHF. Evil bastards.

St Mungos - from UNITE - CEO pay stands at £189,000 while the lowest paid workers get just £20,000

Them too.

I could do this all day.

Keep going.

Expose all the charities that pay people to much. Close them down.

 

[smokedout]

Have a look for yourself: Average CEO pay at large charities rises to £175,000, survey shows

With an annual income of over £1.2m, Steve Gray of Nuffield Health remains the highest-paid chief executive. Gray earned between £930,000 and £940,000 in 2021.

Al Russell, chief executive of the London Clinic Trustees and Paul Nurse, CEO of the Francis Crick Institute, ranked second and third, earning respective incomes of £510,000-520,000 and £420,000-430,000.

Julie Maxton, executive director of the Royal Society, is the 4th highest earner and the highest-paid female leader, with a salary of £385,000.