Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Undoubtedly.
The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
All forgiven if the economy gets fixed, etc etc. Except their prescription is for anemic growth at best and no route to sustainable improvements in work or wealth for the general public. A Red Dwarf-sized hole in the plan, that one.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, yes I do
PTK
Paul Kegan
He's behind you!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
OK, it's a bit difficult to discern all of your forecast timeline, but you appear to be predicting that a refUKer MP will be asked to form a Government in 2029, assuming that is when the next GE is undertaken?
btw it is controversial to claim, without any evidence, that most people do not regard the refUKers are far-right.
breadandcircuse
"The time is always right to do what is right"
Shouldn't that be in spoilers, with a little about what it's about, and how long it is? Or is it different rules for some people? Some animals are more equal than others it seems.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Yeah, there's a dislike of the SNP out there, but I don't think Reform/Tory voters can be excused that easily - I don't think they're motivated just by a dislike of the SNP. These people have some absolutely horrible attitudes - as I said, I know a few who would defend Tommy Robinson.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
and Yaxley-Lennon's people have certainly been keen to help publicise the refUKers' membership claims...
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
Two bald men fighting over a comb.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Anecdotal as others have said, but I speak to a lot of tory types through work/living in the country etc and I can't think of any who will admit to wanting to vote for them in the future - all have gone to refuk (and this in spite of the slightly odd scenario of having a pretty popular green MP).
I also have a fair few relatives in Salford voted for them this time round because they'd never vote Tory, but want an alternative to Labour, so I can absolutely see refuk doing very well at the next election if the Labour Party doesn't change tack.
I also have a fair few relatives in Salford voted for them this time round because they'd never vote Tory, but want an alternative to Labour, so I can absolutely see refuk doing very well at the next election if the Labour Party doesn't change tack.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I think FPTP will mean voters switch back to the Tories to get Labour out. Buy you could be right, I could still be stuck thinking too much in terms of the old politics and not fully adjusted to new realities.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You're that confident of a 2nd Starmer administration?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Not that I was the one who told you off about posting videos, but it's a 30-year old show so no, spoilers would be silly. It's quite clear from context what it's illustrating, bookending a particular point which I was making and had written out in the post (included in your quote, in fact). The vid itself is a minute long and you don't need to watch it to understand what I'm saying.
Hope that helps.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Your usual substitute for actual argumentI'm brushing off the Jimmy Hill pics as we speak
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
might the comb be valuable, belong to a friend of one of them, or have been bought as a present?
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
It's fascinating to me because you went off on one when it was originally (and half jokingly) suggested that he would be the next PM.
It's odd what fascinates people sometimes.
Humberto
talk to the hand
I don't want these cunts in charge because I believe it would be an embarrassing clusterfuck beyond Truss before imploding. The problem is the government represent nothing, and not the people of this country.
Alienation is massive now, because people aren't listened to or represented. And that won't change in Westminster. They are dismissive and scornful of criticism.
We will have more riots if anything. It's a corrupt country. The media aren't honest, the politicians aren't honest. They aren't sincere in fixing the problems of the country and its NHS for you and me. They champion law and order when they didn't listen or care like it solves anything.
Labour can fuck off because they've already blown it. THEY DON'T LISTEN.
It's all well growing GDP (growing the economy) if nobody but the already rich benefits.
They are leading us into ruin. The UK has hostile enemies and all the Kings's Speeches and foreign visits doesn't change that.
Westminster is dead as a positive political vehicle.
Do they ever listen or change?
Alienation is massive now, because people aren't listened to or represented. And that won't change in Westminster. They are dismissive and scornful of criticism.
We will have more riots if anything. It's a corrupt country. The media aren't honest, the politicians aren't honest. They aren't sincere in fixing the problems of the country and its NHS for you and me. They champion law and order when they didn't listen or care like it solves anything.
Labour can fuck off because they've already blown it. THEY DON'T LISTEN.
It's all well growing GDP (growing the economy) if nobody but the already rich benefits.
They are leading us into ruin. The UK has hostile enemies and all the Kings's Speeches and foreign visits doesn't change that.
Westminster is dead as a positive political vehicle.
Do they ever listen or change?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Considering that polling still has the SNP and Labour as the two most popular parties this says more about you and your circle than the Scottish electorate
andysays
Love and solidarity
Disagreeing with your idiotic fantasies isn't "going off on one", and claiming now that you were half joking makes you look even more pathetic.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, the most recent Holyrood polling, from earlier this month, posted in #1030, did predict the SNP losing 14 seats, but also indicted 8 seat gains for the LP compared to the last election.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
The reality is that both parties of the elites - Labour and the Tories have screwed the pooch in various ways with their various constituencies of interest and they have left the door open to the plucky underdogs of Reform, who speak common sense. That leaves them ideally placed in the absence of any other alternatives to benefit on both ends and they will unless the other parties change - the only plausible change i can see right now is the Tories going full Reform and agreeing a pact with them. Doesn't mean the two big established parties can't hang on through FPTP and arithmetic but the UK is on the cusp of a significant shift. One that has failed to happen in the past but it's hard to see what will stop it this time.
The only answer for the left is boots on the ground workplace and community organising - it will not come from the Greens the MPs for Palestine or merging the Breakthrough Party with Left Unity.
Which means there isn't much hope right now...
The only answer for the left is boots on the ground workplace and community organising - it will not come from the Greens the MPs for Palestine or merging the Breakthrough Party with Left Unity.
Which means there isn't much hope right now...
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
They frame what they say as being common sense. Not quite the same thing, especially given their economics are broadly the same as those of the people they're criticising and their obsession with migration has very little practical application being moaning that everyone else is getting it wrong.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
My view is that, of course, the billionaire agenda of the Brexit/Reform parties is broadly the same as the mainstream parties in that it is essentially neoliberal, but different in the sense that it seeks an accelerated and more complete neoliberal turn, rather than the steady as she goes neoliberalism of the establishment. Having achieved Brexit and seen that it makes little difference to the project with the mainstream parties in charge, the refUKer project represents the logical next Brexit aspiration of taking control of the state to ditch the legacy of EU regulation.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Moreover, like the rest of the political Right, they believe they have a monopoly on common sense.
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