brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Interesting but, sadly, whatever the truth, the desired impact of the story has been delivered.
The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Forgetting Badenoch's ineptitude, this excuse for the LP leadership to shift even further rightward on immigration issues is a bigger danger. Especially in the context of the party machine holding back from engaging on an attack strategy on Reform believing them to be more of a danger to the vermin.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I'm not sure why you are apparently so fascinated in my personal opinions about Farage's chances of becoming PM, either next or at some unspecified time in the future.
It also seems clear to me that, whatever his chances of becoming PM, the rise of Farage has already had significant negative effects, and I certainly wouldn't suggest that no one who is currently worried shouldn't be.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I don't think you need a crystal ball to see that the way things are going, Farage, or someone like him, will be the next PM or the one after that.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Depends very much what you mean by "someone like him" (that's not an invitation to expand on that, unless you particularly want to).
The current exchange originated at some point in the past, certainly pre 2024 GE, when* krtek a houby made what I felt was rather exaggerated statement about how Farage was pretty much a certainty to be the next PM, or maybe the next-but-one, and I responded by saying I thought that was quite unlikely.
*if I remember correctly. I certainly can't be bothered to go back and check the exact details.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You reckon that a far-right party will secure a majority of Parliamentary seats, or do you see some other route to power?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Most likely candidate for 'Someone Like Him' is still a right wing Tory leader isn't it, whether that ends up being Badenoch or someone else.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, but questionable that any leader of a mainstream party could be like Farage; the 2 positions seem mutually exclusive?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
This, the my money is on Badenoch to be the next PM, unless some crises means Stammer is replaced before the next general election.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Family gathering over the festive period. One of the things that came up was the next Scottish elections.
Anecdotal evidence produced from nine participants of Reform's growing popularity.
Labour is fucked in Scotland unless they very publicly divorce from London Labour, and even that may not help them.
All nine people considering voting for Reform.
To give an idea of how major a familial shift this is, only three of us take any real interest in politics.
Strange times we live in.
Anecdotal evidence produced from nine participants of Reform's growing popularity.
Labour is fucked in Scotland unless they very publicly divorce from London Labour, and even that may not help them.
All nine people considering voting for Reform.
To give an idea of how major a familial shift this is, only three of us take any real interest in politics.
Strange times we live in.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Nope. Reform will hoover up Conservative votes.
If the Conservatives form a formal pact with reform we will get rid of Labour, if they don't they will cannibalise each other and Labour will be in again.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Reform aren't far right in most people's minds. They're right wing Tories, and absolutely will be "mainstream" by the next GE. They'll take more of the Tory support and go into opposition next time round.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I don't doubt that any of my Tory voting relatives, colleagues and acquaintances would have any trouble voting for Reform. I know a few fellow Scots who have no qualms about supporting Tommy Robinson (though not convinced they're thinking that through entirely). Who knows what will happen in Scotland politically now?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Setting aside all of the unsubstantiated and factually incorrect bollux offered up here, how does "go[ing] into opposition" equate with you claim that Farage will end up as the next PM?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not sure why you're getting so aerated. There's nothing controversial there. And I'll repeat my suggestion; he, or someone like him (by this I'm suggesting another Reform candidate) will become PM the next GE or the one after. If they become the de facto opposition prior to the next election, it'll be then. If not, it'll be the next one.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The majority of people I know would vote for Old Nick himself to get rid of the SNP.
People are furious with Labour at the moment, and it isn't that long until the Scottish elections.
Up until the vile and venal Reeves/Starmer dropped the budget bomb, Labour were well positioned to be the largest party, maybe even have an outright majority. Starmer/Reeves, the venal cunts (Since becoming party leader the multimillionaire knight who leads the Labour party has taken over £100k in freebies, despite having a declared income of £404k 22/23) have absolutely trashed that. At the moment, unlike previous times, Labour doesn't need to win Scottish seats to win an election.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How do you propose refuk might become the official opposition before the next election?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They can't. That's why I said de facto.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Obvs at the moment they don't need any seats as they've a great majority in the Commons. But their majority is built on sand and they'll rue the days they alienated millions of people who might otherwise have been loyal Labour voters
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How do you propose that might happen before the summer of 2029?
There are 120 or more tory mps, 70 or so lib dems and 5 refuk. What political calculus might lead the 5 to be the de facto opposition in the Commons?
andysays
Love and solidarity
Mass defections of Conservative MPs to Reform?
(I don't think this is actually very likely, but it's the only way I can think of it might be achieved)
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Scoop-up all the Tory support and let Labour disintegrate.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How do you propose that might happen?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It is happening.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Ah, you don't mean "opposition" in Parliament.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So you say
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You disagree?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No you don't.
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