rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
But is reform anything without Farage?
The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not
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But is reform anything without Farage?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Reform may or may not be - but it would be incredibly foolish not to recognise the ground for the hard right is very fertile.
The last 25 years have seem the hard right grow in electoral power from the BNP, UKIP, Brexit Party and now Reform, each doing better than their predecessor.
The nature of these parties means that there is always the possibility they implode, fall out, break up, but that ground remains and, in the absence of any class politics, it is expanding.
The last 25 years have seem the hard right grow in electoral power from the BNP, UKIP, Brexit Party and now Reform, each doing better than their predecessor.
The nature of these parties means that there is always the possibility they implode, fall out, break up, but that ground remains and, in the absence of any class politics, it is expanding.
ska invita
back on the other side
They certainly need new blood. Anyway, fuck em, may they rot like an old shed.
Is anybody else a bit worried about Nigel Farage’s personal safety? Does he get police protection as a party leader? He keeps being targeted by protesters who seem to be able to get close by, like today in the Reform press conference or previously those who have thrown things at him. He usually brushes incidents off, but there is a pattern of threat here. It should be taken seriously.
ska invita
back on the other side
No, usually has to get a damp cloth
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yeah, keeps me awake at night
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
If it was frozen solid first and aimed carefully at his head, it might not make such a mess of his expensive jacket.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
A patsy distracts security and the attendant media with a real but harmless milkshake, whilst two clandestine teams in different vantage points take him out with silenced rifles loaded with frozen ice cream bullets
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Are you feeling lucky, punk?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I’m particularly worried about people coming from the future to kill him.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
A T-1000 wearing an Alan Sked skin suit
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
If the Lib Dems really want to show their determination to become the fresh, alternative force in British politics then they need to set up anti-aircraft batteries around the country and human cannonball Davey into the clouds whenever Farage flies overheadpoor dear should start flying in light aircraft to each venue to ensure his safety
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I’m more thinking: International Association of Time Travelers: Members' Forum SubforumA T-1000 wearing an Alan Sked skin suit
RevolutionSound
Well-Known Member
No.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Nope. More worried about returning banned posters and their concerns for the safety of far right fuckers.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I'm more worried about people coming from the future who don't want to kill him.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
When you think how much airtime Farage used to get even when he wasn't an MP, versus someone like Caroline Lucas who actually was an MP, it goes to show that it's fuck all to do with balance.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I'm simultaneously appalled and relieved that Reform won 4 seats last night. Appalled they won any seats at all, but relieved it was only 4 after the BBC's initial estimates after the polls closed was that they would get 12 or 13. Glad they didn't win that many, but winning four means Reform is now entitled to 'short money' to help cover their expenses.
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Short Money - Wikipedia
How do we see Reform growing from here? Other than the protest aspect of their vote. What can they offer people. The being tough on immigration thing only works if they don't hold power. But what do they offer beyond this to achieve that greater power by influence if not seats?
I don't think Reform in it's current guise are the threat from the right. But they pave a way for something more popularist, red brown in nature as Labour or any centralist govt fail to deal with Capitlism, fall out from climate change. Maybe they'll pivot but it won't be Farage. He'll be done by 2030 or overshaddowed by someone who can actually capture the inevitable frustration and anger of younger people in particular. Whilst centralists panic and flap around.
Just brain dumping but feel free to shoot some info at me or something.
I don't think Reform in it's current guise are the threat from the right. But they pave a way for something more popularist, red brown in nature as Labour or any centralist govt fail to deal with Capitlism, fall out from climate change. Maybe they'll pivot but it won't be Farage. He'll be done by 2030 or overshaddowed by someone who can actually capture the inevitable frustration and anger of younger people in particular. Whilst centralists panic and flap around.
Just brain dumping but feel free to shoot some info at me or something.
This is another aspect. Confronted with the day to day issues of his constituents, lack of opportunity, housing etc, what is his tac. Mind you, it's not unknown for MPs just coasting along doing fuck all but retainomg their seats nonetheless. A self styled resergent demands something more though.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I seem to remember that the IWCA predicted that the threat from the far right would come to take the form that Farage and co. now represent.
They're a far greater threat than the BNP was between 2000 and 2010, or whenever it was that they imploded, with a much wider appeal and little of the problematic baggage.
They're a far greater threat than the BNP was between 2000 and 2010, or whenever it was that they imploded, with a much wider appeal and little of the problematic baggage.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
It's 5 now.I'm simultaneously appalled and relieved that Reform won 4 seats last night. Appalled they won any seats at all, but relieved it was only 4 after the BBC's initial estimates after the polls closed was that they would get 12 or 13. Glad they didn't win that many, but winning four means Reform is now entitled to 'short money' to help cover their expenses.
Short Money - Wikipedia
If aimed at me, I'm not being complacent. *The BNP as you say did not have the wider appeal Reform seem to. But how much of that will be sustained beyond the disguntled Tories protest vote. What answers have they got for anything. Boats and cutting taxes, anti woke stuff is gonna date real quick.
*I'm aware however I say this from the relative privelege of being an urban dwelling white straight cis bloke.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Wasn't aimed at you. And the disgruntled Tory vote is here to stay. However, that Labour was unable to recover the 'red wall' vote tells us all we need to know. Those who switched from Labour to Tory in 2019 appear to have mostly switched to Reform when they didn't stay with the Tories. Both centrist Labour and the Labour left now appeal mainly to the relatively well-educated big city professional populations, and large swathes of beleagured small town working class Britain continue to feel alienated. Meanwhile, the traditional left outside labour is nowhere, and seems set to remain there.
We now have a Labour government with a massive parliamentary majority but only modest mass support which is guaranteed to fail in most of its aims, at a time when the radical right appears to be getting its act together. Whether the latter can do so in Britain remains to be seen, but the potential for a right wing populist movement on the European model has never been greater. Europe-wide, It all lines up nicely for the big battles over the coming mass waves of refugees as climate change starts to bite.
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