The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not

[steeplejack]

Dan Jarvis out in Barnsley N by all accounts, unseated by an obvious knuckledragging racist disowned by Ref UK for being too vulgar.

 

[Lotte]

Meh, it's just a protest vote isn't it

Look at France.

 

[Lotte]

Tory next election campaign promises ..

concentration camps and the final solution

we must be more conservative

to fight of reform

G-d I wish assisted suicide was a thing here.

 

[Ax^]

I'm taking the piss but the biggest take away for most of the conservative party for this election result will be they not being nasty enough in their mind set and need another lurch to the right

14 years of their leadership has caused the rise of reform and not the other way around

 

[planetgeli]

Meh, it's just a protest vote isn't it

No it isn't

 

[krtek a houby]

Look at France.

Is France in the UK?

 

[ska invita]

Look at France.

The one saving grace is that Reform at this point are swivel eyed loons, the French far right are now a much slicker outfit.

 

[steeplejack]

Another near 11000 vote in Sunderland Central, as opposed to Labour’s winning tally of 16,000 or so.

The question is how friable the vote is and what the strategy is to oppose Reform both within & without electoral politics.

 

[The39thStep]

Another near 11000 vote in Sunderland Central, as opposed to Labour’s winning tally of 16,000 or so.

The question is how friable the vote is and what the strategy is to oppose Reform both within & without electoral politics.

Excellent question. If Clacton is anything to go by the Labour strategy is to leggit and back the Tories

 

[Wilf]

Labour don't know how to combat it because that would be to admit their role in creating a space for fash/right wing populism.

 

[Lotte]

Is France in the UK?

No, it isn't, but it's across the Channel from us and similar things are happening there, but worse. Starmer is basically our Macron.

 

[Humberto]

Labour don't know how to combat it because that would be to admit their role in creating a space for fash/right wing populism.

What do you mean. Losing the 'narrative' on austerity, and taking on the small state orthodoxy to the tune of the neoliberals?

 

[The39thStep]

No, it isn't, but it's across the Channel from us and similar things are happening there, but worse. Starmer is basically our Macron.

 

[MrCurry]

I think it’s to be laughed at. All that hot air and BS about becoming the next opposition, replacing the tories, and they won 4 seats.

As usual with Farage, plenty of froth and noise, bewitching the press into giving him airtime beyond his importance, then when it comes down to it, he delivers next to nothing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think it’s to be laughed at. All that hot air and BS about becoming the next opposition, replacing the tories, and they won 4 seats.

As usual with Farage, plenty of froth and noise, bewitching the press into giving him airtime beyond his importance, then when it comes down to it, he delivers next to nothing.

He'll get even more air time now though.

 

[Elpenor]

He'll get even more air time now though.

Expect to see opinion writers on the right arguing for electoral reform in the coming days

 

[Silas Loom]

Expect to see opinion writers on the right arguing for electoral reform in the coming days

And Compass, which makes very little sense, except it has become their shtick.

 

[Elpenor]

And Compass, which makes very little sense, except it has become their shtick.

I doubt the greens got the same treatment

 

[hash tag]

The one saving grace is that Reform at this point are swivel eyed loons, the French far right are now a much slicker outfit.

Don't underestimate Farage. He can talk, he got brexit done.
Reform have 4 MP's now, which is a bit of a swing and some of the more extreme tories got back in.
This and what is happening in Europe is quite troubling.
Hopefully, we have got 4 years before they can cause too much trouble.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Hey, it's not the 13 that was predicted. That was rather worrying.

What bothers me is that they have the same number of MPs as the Greens, but with twice the share of the popular vote. And if you combine Reform's share of the PV with the Conservatives, they outnumber Labour. I don't like FPTP in principle, so this is uncomfortable.

 

[hash tag]

Hey, it's not the 13 that was predicted. That was rather worrying.

What bothers me is that they have the same number of MPs as the Greens, but with twice the share of the popular vote. And if you combine Reform's share of the PV with the Conservatives, they outnumber Labour. I don't like FPTP in principle, so this is uncomfortable.

Greens got 4 seats in the end
Reform and Tories combined, ah.

 

[Flavour]

Reform up to 5 now

 

[The39thStep]

Reform up to 5 now

and something like 100 second places and 4 million votes , a better performance than UKIPs in 2015

 

[Pickman's model]

The one saving grace is that Reform at this point are swivel eyed loons, the French far right are now a much slicker outfit.

There are a lot of swivel-eyed loons out there

 

[danny la rouge]

and something like 100 second places and 4 million votes , a better performance than UKIPs in 2015

Indeed. And with so many of their fellow travellers forming the rump of the parliamentary Tory party, I think we’re looking at the direction of travel for the UK right. It’ll be towards being “normal, like Reform”.

 

[Karl Masks]

Reform up to 5 now

WHAT!

 

[andysays]

Reform up to 5 now

I think I read somewhere that one of their candidates who got deselected and stood as an independent also got elected.

Does anyone remember that or did I just imagine it?

 

[moochedit]

Expect to see opinion writers on the right arguing for electoral reform in the coming days

A quick check of reforms facebook page earlier and i could already see PR coming up in the comments.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

and something like 100 second places and 4 million votes , a better performance than UKIPs in 2015

It is slightly better. Not massively. A couple of hundred thousand more votes.

Difference between then and now is that since then the Tories have basically turned themselves into UKIP but they still had 4million defecting right of them.

 

[ska invita]

There are a lot of swivel-eyed loons out there

That's true. Le Pen has worked hard to turn her mob into something more presentable, controlling messaging, candidate vetting and bringing younger people in and upfront....If the old farts at Reform manage the same it's a whole other level. But the swivel eye vote in Britain is around this high watermark I reckon.