The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel

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Rodders thinks there isn’t enough bullying in the civil service

The article seems to suggest there needs to be more of the right kind of bullying, whatever that means.

 

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[Marty1]

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Good article.

The Home Secretary, Priti Patel, who is 5ft 6in tall, has been accused of using bullying behaviour with regard to her civil servants. Nowhere near enough bullying behaviour in my book. One imagines the chagrin amid the Sir Humphreys: ‘I have just been told what to do by a short, state-educated woman from the colonies!’

The bitter — and I suspect a little racist and sexist — backlash against Patel came after she had unveiled the government’s new proposals to reduce immigration, something the average voter has been banging on about for 20 years since the doors were flung open

Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment?

 

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theres clearly an instruction gone around because Dan Hodges was banging the same sort of drum in the MoS today

 

[Serge Forward]

Good article.







Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment?

You cunt.

 

[maomao]

Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment

No. Cunt is cunt to cunt.

 

[two sheds]

Good article.







Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment?

But I'm glad you approve of bullying, good to bear in mind.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Like I said earlier in thread, this is great. Tory politicos will attack senior civil servants as unaccountable musty dusty posh old pencil pushers, bureaucrats and mandarins who have never got over the fall of the raj. CS types and liberal media will attack tories as trumpists, radical right, not true conservatives, power hungry autocrats etc. Enough truth in both. Further erosion of remaining vague trust in political process and structures and an administration that hates each other and itself. Lovely.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I really hope and sort of believe that this toxic shitfest will keep on brewing for a couple more years and explode in levels of animosity and hate for the political class that will piss on the expenses scandal. Fingers crossed.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I see what you mean proper tidy. But, in terms of constructing the new divide the Tories will relish a war with another insider group: the senior civil service.

Expect a major spin operation portraying the Tory Ministerial team trying to enact sensible measures that reflect their manifesto/get Brexit done/crack down on criminals/boot out immigrants and being blocked by shadowy establishment types like Rutnam.

Inevitably, the left fall straight into the trap going in to bat for an odious prick like Rutnam thereby further embedding the view that they are the party of the rotten insider establishment.

Add in the fact that they can bait the left over identity politics with Patel, and add in the LP crusade to send Bercow and Watson to the Lords thereby confirming the impression of whose side it’s on, and you can see high fives all round on their side.

 

[maomao]

But I'm glad you approve of bullying, good to bear in mind.

People love bullies. Bullies are almost always very popular people, in fact bullying which is mainly about social exclusion wouldn't work if they weren't charming and popular. The Gripper Stebson trope of the lone wolf bully using physical intimidation is a rarity in real life.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I see what you mean proper tidy. But, in terms of constructing the new divide the Tories will relish a war with another insider group: the senior civil service.

Expect a major spin operation portraying the Tory Ministerial team trying to enact sensible measures that reflect their manifesto/get Brexit done/crack down on criminals/boot out immigrants and being blocked by shadowy establishment types like Rutnam.

Inevitably, the left fall straight into the trap going in to bat for an odious prick like Rutnam thereby further embedding the view that they are the party of the rotten insider establishment.

Add in the fact that they can bait the left over identity politics with Patel, and add in the LP crusade to send Bercow and Watson to the Lords thereby confirming the impression of whose side it’s on, and you can see high fives all round on their side.

You are bang on about the left/liberals knee jerking in support of individuals and institutions that are as much the enemy. And yeah obviously this stuff isn't accidental, the tories see mileage in conflict with their trad allies in whitehall and press etc.

It isn't that I expect labour to be beneficiaries of this. It's that I don't think the tories fully understand their actions lead to erosion of the democratic structures which gives them the consent to govern, that in longer term they are undermining their own authority and reason for existence

 

[Chilli.s]

Bullies see themselves as well organised and assertive, I prefer to see them as picking themselves off the floor crying.

 

[Marty1]

But I'm glad you approve of bullying, good to bear in mind.

Not at all, you’re mischaracterising my remarks for a cheap point score.

This civil servant in question is alleging bullying - imo in a fairly unconvincing way based on watching his statement - he looks like he’s been wrapped up in cotton wool most of his life tbh. I may be wrong and genuine bullying may be uncovered.

I dare say that if this civil servant was to experience a working class job - maybe do a month delivering parcels, his possible high sensitivity to ‘bullying’ may change considerably.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It isn't that I expect labour to be beneficiaries of this. It's that I don't think the tories fully understand their actions lead to erosion of the democratic structures which gives them the consent to govern, that in longer term they are undermining their own authority and reason for existence

I do wonder how much store neo-liberals invest in maintaining the structures anymore. In the long term, how much do they care about consent?

You can see already in Europe that the more authoritarian politics becomes the more of an echo it finds when presented as a necessary mechanism against ‘the establishment’.

I’d add - that given growth projections for late capitalist economies, automation and the future of work and the collapse of consent for centrist politics that has already happened - then you’d be surprised if they weren’t thinking now about how to rule without consent. Dangerous times.

 

[maomao]

Not at all, you’re mischaracterising my remarks for a cheap point score.

This civil servant in question is alleging bullying - imo in a fairly unconvincing way based on watching his statement - he looks like he’s been wrapped up in cotton wool most of his life tbh. I may be wrong and genuine bullying may be uncovered.

I dare say that if this civil servant was to experience a working class job - maybe do a month delivering parcels, his possible high sensitivity to ‘bullying’ may change considerably.

Don't think Patel or Johnson would care for a manual job either.

And you can hang Philip Shitnam for all I care but I've experienced bullying on the road and in the office and it was worse in the office because I couldn't just ride away from it.

 

[existentialist]

But I'm glad you approve of bullying, good to bear in mind.

He's almost guaranteed to complain that all of Urban is bullying him just before his terminal flounce...

 

[andysays]

...Inevitably, the left fall straight into the trap going in to bat for an odious prick like Rutnam thereby further embedding the view that they are the party of the rotten insider establishment...

Not denying that this might happen, but haven't actually seen any evidence of "the left" "going into bat" for Rutnam, here or elsewhere.

Haven't really seen any evidence that Rutnam is "an odious prick" either, other than the fact that he's head of the Home office civil service service, which might make him one by default.

In this case he appears to have incurred the wrath of Patel by standing up for his subordinates when they have been subjected to bullying from her, behaviour which is the opposite of odious.

But it's not really about Rutnam as an individual, is it? To attempt to reduce it to such is just as pointless as what you're vaguely accusing others of doing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You are bang on about the left/liberals knee jerking in support of individuals and institutions that are as much the enemy. And yeah obviously this stuff isn't accidental, the tories see mileage in conflict with their trad allies in whitehall and press etc.

Particularly when they're sticking up for a civil service that was openly threatening to resist a Corbyn government should the public elect one.

I feel the same about the civil service as I do about the BBC. Lay down with dogs, you get fleas. Put less delicately, you've shat the bed now you can lie in it.

 

[two sheds]

Not at all, you’re mischaracterising my remarks for a cheap point score.

First line of that piece you lauded as a "Good article."

We will rue the day we all decided bullying was a bad thing.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not denying that this might happen, but haven't actually seen any evidence of "the left" "going into bat" for Rutnam, here or elsewhere.

Haven't really seen any evidence that Rutnam is "an odious prick" either, other than the fact that he's head of the Home office civil service service, which might make him one by default.

In this case he appears to have incurred the wrath of Patel by standing up for his subordinates when they have been subjected to bullying from her, behaviour which is the opposite of odious.

But it's not really about Rutnam as an individual, is it? To attempt to reduce it to such is just as pointless as what you're vaguely accusing others of doing.

Bizarre. I didn’t reduce it to Rutnam and Patel. In fact, I did the exact opposite, and situated it in the wider political context of the new dividing lines that Johnston, Cummings and others want to draw.

If you want to debate that fine, but mischaracterising entirely what I actually wrote is odd.


As for the left and Rutnam just type ‘Philip Rutnam’ into the twitter search function.

 

[steeplejack]

Booga Benson was far more deranged and physically dangerous than Gripper

 

[Marty1]

He's almost guaranteed to complain that all of Urban is bullying him just before his terminal flounce...

Thank you for using the correct pronoun.

 

[existentialist]

Thank you for using the correct pronoun.

You're welcome

 

[SpineyNorman]

Wtf is the pronoun shit all about?

 

[existentialist]

Wtf is the pronoun shit all about?

One of life's Great Mysteries.

 

[PD58]

Not at all, you’re mischaracterising my remarks for a cheap point score.

This civil servant in question is alleging bullying - imo in a fairly unconvincing way based on watching his statement - he looks like he’s been wrapped up in cotton wool most of his life tbh. I may be wrong and genuine bullying may be uncovered.

I dare say that if this civil servant was to experience a working class job - maybe do a month delivering parcels, his possible high sensitivity to ‘bullying’ may change considerably.

Perhaps he may experience bullying elsewhere in other roles, but does that make it right or even any more excusable, assuming of course it is bullying? The most interesting point is that he hasn't taken a deal and is willing to take this further (and of course here he will be fine re his pension) but he could have gone meekly and accepted a package - so wrapped in cotton wool doesn't quite seem to fit does it?

 

[Marty1]

Perhaps he may experience bullying elsewhere in other roles, but does that make it right or even any more excusable, assuming of course it is bullying? The most interesting point is that he hasn't taken a deal and is willing to take this further (and of course here he will be fine re his pension) but he could have gone meekly and accepted a package - so wrapped in cotton wool doesn't quite seem to fit does it?

Yeah, all the above may prove he’s indeed heroic rather than his initial sour grapes damp squib appearance who knows better than most that perhaps the courts may be sympathetic to their own?

 

[Guineveretoo]

What union are the civil service big cheeses in, is it FDA?

Yes. The General Secretary was on the radio and in the papers yesterday saying they’re supporting his claim.

 

[tim]

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Yeah, all the above may prove he’s indeed heroic rather than his initial sour grapes damp squib appearance who knows better than most that perhaps the courts may be sympathetic to their own?

Can't we send this bore back to Troll Central Casting and ask for a refund. In the old days they used to send us better quality wing-nuts .

Even pbman tried harded than this cunt, didn't he?