The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel

[Smangus]

Yeah, all the above may prove he’s indeed heroic rather than his initial sour grapes damp squib appearance who knows better than most that perhaps the courts may be sympathetic to their own?

He'll have to evidence his claims at Tribunal, in order to prove his claims to a satisfactory degree if he is to win. Employment Tribunals aren't noted for their weighted decision making in support of the claimant.

He could have taken a pay off, which was offered and walked away but has chosen to go down a route that is by no means guaranteed to work out in his favour and will be a lot more stressful also.

There may not be a lot of sympathy on here for him but it is extraordinary that an ex Perm Sec will take HM GVT to trib, this highlights the dysfunction at the heart of gvt/civil service at the moment and that affects everybody.

Patel has form for this in other ministerial jobs so it will be interesting to see what comes out of it when the case is heard.

 

[Marty1]

He'll have to evidence his claims at Tribunal, in order to prove his claims to a satisfactory degree if he is to win. Employment Tribunals aren't noted for their weighted decision making in support of the claimant.

He could have taken a pay off, which was offered and walked away but has chosen to go down a route that is by no means guaranteed to work out in his favour and will be a lot more stressful also.

There may not be a lot of sympathy on here for him but it is extraordinary that an ex Perm Sec will take HM GVT to trib, this highlights the dysfunction at the heart of gvt/civil service at the moment and that affects everybody.

Patel has form for this in other ministerial jobs so it will be interesting to see what comes out of it when the case is heard.

You make some interesting points.

Just been reading this - Boris is backing Priti and interesting to read this Rutnam bloke was on £175,000 a year for his troubles!

Priti Patel: Johnson backs 'fantastic' home secretary after bullying claims — Sky News

Boris Johnson says he "absolutely" has confidence in Home Secretary Priti Patel, who has been accused of bullying.

apple.news

 

[brogdale]

You make some interesting points.

Just been reading this - Boris is backing Priti and interesting to read this Rutnam bloke was on £175,000 a year for his troubles!

Priti Patel: Johnson backs 'fantastic' home secretary after bullying claims — Sky News

Boris Johnson says he "absolutely" has confidence in Home Secretary Priti Patel, who has been accused of bullying.

apple.news

There was me thinking Patel was the enemy....but now you've pointed out what the whingeing bloke was pulling in...well that's straightened out my thinking, I can telll yer.

 

[existentialist]

He'll have to evidence his claims at Tribunal, in order to prove his claims to a satisfactory degree if he is to win. Employment Tribunals aren't noted for their weighted decision making in support of the claimant.

He could have taken a pay off, which was offered and walked away but has chosen to go down a route that is by no means guaranteed to work out in his favour and will be a lot more stressful also.

There may not be a lot of sympathy on here for him but it is extraordinary that an ex Perm Sec will take HM GVT to trib, this highlights the dysfunction at the heart of gvt/civil service at the moment and that affects everybody.

Patel has form for this in other ministerial jobs so it will be interesting to see what comes out of it when the case is heard.

QFT

 

[Smangus]

You make some interesting points.

Just been reading this - Boris is backing Priti and interesting to read this Rutnam bloke was on £175,000 a year for his troubles!

Priti Patel: Johnson backs 'fantastic' home secretary after bullying claims — Sky News

Boris Johnson says he "absolutely" has confidence in Home Secretary Priti Patel, who has been accused of bullying.

apple.news

Think I'll adopt the football managers approach to apparent votes of confidence in this instance......

 

[maomao]

She's there to do the Trump act so Johnson doesn't have to. Man's got a lot of kids to look after.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You make some interesting points.

Just been reading this - Boris is backing Priti and interesting to read this Rutnam bloke was on £175,000 a year for his troubles!

Priti Patel: Johnson backs 'fantastic' home secretary after bullying claims — Sky News

Boris Johnson says he "absolutely" has confidence in Home Secretary Priti Patel, who has been accused of bullying.

apple.news

He's a cunt. He presided over the Windrush deportations. He's a cunt.

However, you totally miss the point here if you think this is about whether or not he's a cunt. (He is a cunt, in case you missed it.) I hope he goes to the tribunal and that he wins his case, not because he's not a cunt and he deserves better, but because it might bring down Patel, the most odious home secretary of my lifetime, and that's a list that includes the likes of Michael Howard and David Waddington, so it's no mean achievement.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm still not convinced Patel can be brought down. The normal rules have basically been thrown out the window since the election.

 

[Marty1]

He's a cunt. He presided over the Windrush deportations. He's a cunt.

However, you totally miss the point here if you think this is about whether or not he's a cunt. (He is a cunt, in case you missed it.) I hope he goes to the tribunal and that he wins his case, not because he's not a cunt and he deserves better, but because it might bring down Patel, the most odious home secretary of my lifetime, and that's a list that includes the likes of Michael Howard and David Waddington, so it's no mean achievement.

So your disregard for Priti Patel is motivated purely by hate.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So your disregard for Priti Patel is motivated purely by hate.

My hatred of Priti Patel is produced purely by everything she has said and done in her entire life. And yes, there are politicians that I actively hate, quite a lot of them.

 

[SpineyNorman]

This isnt a wet liberal board marty. We're allowed to hate and most of us are pretty good at it.

"If historians do have a public responsibility, if hating Is part of their method and warning part of their task, it is necessary that they should hate precisely"

Tim Mason

 

[existentialist]

So your disregard for Priti Patel is motivated purely by hate.

Understandable hate, in the circumstances.

 

[brogdale]

So your disregard for Priti Patel is motivated purely by hate.

You don't hate these fuckers, do you?

 

[maomao]

So your disregard for Priti Patel is motivated purely by hate.

Got the cart before the horse there. Most people don't randomly pick people to hate and then look for reasons to justify it. For example you are disliked around here for your opinions (and your obvious insincerity in expressing them) rather than vice versa.

 

[Streathamite]

It is a public forum though, and this one will be well reported.

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Rodders thinks there isn’t enough bullying in the civil service

That whole article is as bonkers as one would expect from Liddle, but there's one area it REALLY badly falls down: the presumption that Patel - of all people -is in any way capable of discerning the competence of any one,let alone a perm sec

 

[two sheds]

Along with the idea that it's ok to bully someone you have power over - employment power particularly.

 

[Streathamite]

Good article.







Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment?

Only if you're massively stupid and ignorant enough to fall for such a line

 

[Ax^]

Liddle publicatin history should be a reason for anyone getting his support to make it a point of telling him to "go fuck himself"

 

[Streathamite]

Like I said earlier in thread, this is great. Tory politicos will attack senior civil servants as unaccountable musty dusty posh old pencil pushers, bureaucrats and mandarins who have never got over the fall of the raj. CS types and liberal media will attack tories as trumpists, radical right, not true conservatives, power hungry autocrats etc. Enough truth in both. Further erosion of remaining vague trust in political process and structures and an administration that hates each other and itself. Lovely.

Or, more concisely, loads of ruling class ferrets fighting in a very small sack!

 

[Streathamite]

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Can't we send this bore back to Troll Central Casting and ask for a refund. In the old days they used to send us better quality wing-nuts .

Even pbman tried harded than this cunt, didn't he?

He makes Johnny Canuck look like Socrates, in comparison

 

[redsquirrel]

There's enemies of the people in that there swamp.

There was me thinking Patel was the enemy....but now you've pointed out what the whingeing bloke was pulling in...well that's straightened out my thinking, I can telll yer.

Well they are aren't they? As Proper Tidy and Smokeandsteam have pointed out Rutnam is as much the enemy as Patel.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Well they are aren't they? As Proper Tidy and Smokeandsteam have pointed out Rutnam is as much the enemy as Patel.

If anyone on here thinks there is some common cause to be made with the highest echelons of the civil service. With someone who has diligently administered the austerity agenda of the past 10 years. Who moves in the same swamp as politicians, editors and journalists and other senior representatives of capital then the plot has well and truly been lost.

But the wider point is also important here.

This government has worked out that not only do the public not care about the sectional interest of one powerful group or the other but also it’s popular when they publicly ‘take them on’. The sooner liberals and some of the left get the rules of the new game the better....

 

[Artaxerxes]

If anyone on here thinks there is some common cause to be made with the highest echelons of the civil service. With someone who has diligently administered the austerity agenda of the past 10 years. Who moves in the same swamp as politicians, editors and journalists and other senior representatives of capital then the plot has well and truly been lost.

But the wider point is also important here.

This government has worked out that not only do the public not care about the sectional interest of one powerful group or the other but also it’s popular when they publicly ‘take them on’. The sooner liberals and some of the left get the rules of the new game the better....

It’s a fascinating study in how people can compartmentalise.

When the Conservatives do it it’s cutting red tape and streamlining business. Curbing unchecked power.

When the left does it’s unchecked socialism and removing valuable oversight.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It’s a fascinating study in how people can compartmentalise.

When the Conservatives do it it’s cutting red tape and streamlining business. Curbing unchecked power.

When the left does it’s unchecked socialism and removing valuable oversight.

In office Labour has often collapsed in terms of political ambition in the face of organised resistance by the senior echelons of the Civil Service. The Wilson governments in particular were systematically attacked by Whitehall and spooks. Throughout the 60’s and 70’s senior civil servants were regularly busy attacking and undermining labour and the organised working class. They were also well represented in the intellectual archipelago around Thatcher and the neo-cons.
And of course, it was the same senior Civil Service actively briefing about Corbyn having had a stroke in the run up to the GE.

 

[redsquirrel]

This government has worked out that not only do the public not care about the sectional interest of one powerful group or the other but also it’s popular when they publicly ‘take them on’. The sooner liberals and some of the left get the rules of the new game the better....

Absolutely. Whether it is on this issue or on others socialism needs to be offering a real alternative to both liberalism and right wing populism.

 

[Proper Tidy]

No war but the class war. That means all of them, no exceptions.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Priti Patel staff member received £25k payout over bullying allegations

The DWP staff member claimed she had been the victim of bullying by the then employment minister.

www.bbc.co.uk

the HS does seems to be an awful specimen of humanity

 

[ruffneck23]

I kinda think that now the election is done and dusted , the diversity ( in this case deservedly )in the govt , is now being thrown away ?

 

[maomao]

I kinda think that now the election is done and dusted , the diversity ( in this case deservedly )in the govt , is now being thrown away ?

Wheres the diversity? They're all fucking Tories.

And this isn't even a bad story for the government. The base are loving it.

 

[existentialist]

Priti Patel staff member received £25k payout over bullying allegations

The DWP staff member claimed she had been the victim of bullying by the then employment minister.

www.bbc.co.uk

the HS does seems to be an awful specimen of humanity

Even if they don't start out that way, Home Secretaries inevitably seem to morph into authoritarian stary-eyed monsters bent on principle over any kind of reality.

And Priti Patel started as all of those things, and is proving that the Home Secretary post doesn't get you to that place, it just moves you several steps along from where you are. Which is why Patel is beginning to become almost surreal in her authoritarian delusions. Helped by the fact that she is surrounded by people with equally implausible notions of being able to do just whatever they want.