The ongoing stupidity of Home Secretary Priti Patel

[weltweit]

It's interesting what is coming out, I already thought she was a bit dim from some of her utterances during the Brexit debates and from her much more recent "counter terrorism" errors, but I hadn't realised that she was basically a nasty piece of work which is what seems to be emerging from these latest revelations.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I know you're slow on the uptake welters but even by your standards you've taken your time to have the scales fall from yer eyes

 

[existentialist]

It's interesting what is coming out, I already thought she was a bit dim from some of her utterances during the Brexit debates and from her much more recent "counter terrorism" errors, but I hadn't realised that she was basically a nasty piece of work which is what seems to be emerging from these latest revelations.

Your faith in humanity is touching! I think Patel strikes me as one of those people who has a very definite (and largely private) world view, and will do pretty much anything to ensure that the world adapts to that view. There is a diamond-edged drivenness about her that, to me at least, shines out like a beacon. I don't think she's dim...but I don't think she's clever in the way that means "adaptable, intuitive, able to draw inferences". What she has is a cunning that is totally and purely focused on driving her towards her ambitions, and brooks no kind of variation to the plan.

 

[Humberto]

There is a sadistic streak in quite a few of them.

 

[Shechemite]

Most people don't randomly pick people to hate and then look for reasons to justify it.

nicotine levels permitting

 

[existentialist]

There is a sadistic streak in quite a few of them.

Yes, that is a good word. And I am struggling to think of a Home Secretary that didn't have an element of it in their makeup.

 

[PD58]

Absolutely. Whether it is on this issue or on others socialism needs to be offering a real alternative to both liberalism and right wing populism.

And also it seems, as the upper echelons of the CS are seen as part of the problem, actually how it would run government - whether we like it or not these people have been doing this for a long time and I see no one writing about any alternative structure, why, because it would be impossible to implement this in the life of a single government. We need to go back to considering a written constitution...

 

[teqniq]

She's got previous:

Priti Patel staff member received £25k payout over bullying allegations

The DWP staff member claimed she had been the victim of bullying by the then employment minister.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, that is a good word. And I am struggling to think of a Home Secretary that didn't have an element of it in their makeup.

All of them have it, even the ones you've forgotten like jacqui smith and david waddington

 

[SpookyFrank]

All of them have it, even the ones you've forgotten like jacqui smith and david waddington

I remember Jacqui Smith all too well. A wrong 'un all day long.

 

[8ball]

Yes, that is a good word. And I am struggling to think of a Home Secretary that didn't have an element of it in their makeup.

Maybe there’s an element of the job spec choosing the candidates.

 

[existentialist]

Maybe there’s an element of the job spec choosing the candidates.

I think that's probably true, but I don't think it's the whole story. They really do suddenly seem to get a lot worse once they've put on the Special Hat.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I remember Jacqui Smith all too well. A wrong 'un all day long.

She's the one who's husband had a tax-payer funded wank.

 

[Pickman's model]

I remember Jacqui Smith all too well. A wrong 'un all day long.

and david waddington?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

They really do suddenly seem to get a lot worse once they've put on the Special Hat.

That first full MI5 briefing must be wild.

 

[MrSki]

Well it seems she has been consistent throughout her ministerial career.



Lets hope it all comes out at the ET.

 

[Streathamite]

Along with the idea that it's ok to bully someone you have power over - employment power particularly.

Agreed nem con
E2a: edited to deal with earlier cackhandedness, and to confound two sheds!

 

[two sheds]

I nearly understood that

 

[Streathamite]

Yes, that is a good word. And I am struggling to think of a Home Secretary that didn't have an element of it in their makeup.

Jenkins, possibly

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Jenkins, possibly

I loathe the man, but I don't think Kenneth Clarke was a sadistic Home Sec, or later Justice Sec. He at least acknowledged that just sending more people to prison was a bad idea.

 

[Streathamite]

I loathe the man, but I don't think Kenneth Clarke was a sadistic Home Sec, or later Justice Sec. He at least acknowledged that just sending more people to prison was a bad idea.

Agreed, he at least got that

 

[Marty1]

Your faith in humanity is touching! I think Patel strikes me as one of those people who has a very definite (and largely private) world view, and will do pretty much anything to ensure that the world adapts to that view. There is a diamond-edged drivenness about her that, to me at least, shines out like a beacon. I don't think she's dim...but I don't think she's clever in the way that means "adaptable, intuitive, able to draw inferences". What she has is a cunning that is totally and purely focused on driving her towards her ambitions, and brooks no kind of variation to the plan.

Tasseography?

 

[Pickman's model]

I loathe the man, but I don't think Kenneth Clarke was a sadistic Home Sec, or later Justice Sec. He at least acknowledged that just sending more people to prison was a bad idea.

And of course he then reduced the flow of people to prison? Did he prevent one person being jailed for non-payment of poll tax? Words, lbj, what he said was just words.

 

[bellaozzydog]

Good article.







Bold woman of colour stands up to dusty civil servant establishment?

fuck off

 

[redsquirrel]

And of course he then reduced the fow of people to prison? Did he prevent one person being jailed for non-payment of poll tax? Words, lbj, what he said was just words.

This. FFS lets look at actions not are words. Clarke didn't stop the increase in the prison population.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This. FFS lets look at actions not are words. Clarke didn't stop the increase in the prison population.

The bar here was 'sadistic streak'. Clarke has since admitted that he failed to achieve what he wanted to achieve as Justice Sec. In this particular case, given that Clarke is able to talk coherently on the subject of penal reform and given the various attempts he did make in office to do something about it, I don't see a reason to disbelieve him.

I'm not being a fanboi here. Clarke is a massive cunt in many many ways, but in the case of his roles as Home Sec then Justice Sec, I don't think he qualifies as a sadistic cunt.

 

[Pickman's model]

The bar here was 'sadistic streak'. Clarke has since admitted that he failed to achieve what he wanted to achieve as Justice Sec. In this particular case, given that Clarke is able to talk coherently on the subject of penal reform and given the various attempts he did make in office to do something about it, I don't see a reason to disbelieve him.

I'm not being a fanboi here. Clarke is a massive cunt in many many ways, but in the case of his roles as Home Sec then Justice Sec, I don't think he qualifies as a sadistic cunt.

during his time as home secretary, clarke was of course the police authority for the metropolitan police.

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let's say for the sake of argument that half the deaths in custody or following contact with the police in 1992 and 1993 happened on his watch, many of which will have been in london: 47 in total in england and wales
i don't believe he has ever said anything about a single one of those deaths. i don't think he has ever ordered an inquiry into a single one of those deaths. i don't think he has ever issued recommendations to avoid further deaths in custody or following contact with the police. the notion of clarke's sadism or otherwise is, i submit, a red herring. did he attempt to reduce the violence of the system or did he ignore it?

here is a list of every prisoner who died other than of natural causes inside while clarke was home secretary
(part 1)

 

[Pickman's model]

part 2

 

[Pickman's model]

part 3









i don't believe that clarke did anything to reduce the number of prisoners who attempted or committed suicide. so he said prison didn't work. but he did nothing to save the lives of the men and women listed for whose welfare he, as home secretary, was responsible.

 

[brogdale]

That look you go for when the Leader of HMLO tells the Commons that you that you'd (allegedly) bullied a former staffer to the point that they attempted suicide.