The Home Office and UK government policy concerning asylum seekers/Rwanda deportations

[brogdale]

Can someone explain to me like I’m 5 what this is achieving exactly?

What bimble said above and this:



The UK government want to contest the notion that it is the US-style flexibility of the UK labour market that is the driver of "illegal" migration. It's been noticeable that some EU voices have been pointing this out since the small boats issue became politically convenient for the tories. They really don't want this inconvenient truth to gain any traction as it might raise questions about why and how "illegal" African migrants end up filling the job shortages caused by their brexit.

 

[sparkybird]

The absolute state of it, home office tweeting this out, like the public is going to cheer at the news of these men being caught in the act of .. doing the nightshift at an abatttoir.



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Links to this on the government website which proudly says it took 25 immigration officers to storm the place and arrest these two men, for working, one of whom oversayed his visa and the other is not supposed to be earning any money because his asylum claim isnt done yet. 25 officers ffs.

Shouldn't they be arresting the employer?

 

[brogdale]

Shouldn't they be arresting the employer?

Yes, but the regime of civil penalties for employing "illegals" has inevitably spawned it's own legal industry to get people off the fines. To prosecute employers it has to be proved that they knowingly employed an "illegal" worker. There's a reason why non-asylum seeking migrants are so drawn to the white cliffs.

 

[brogdale]

Some useful, if slightly out of date, data in this piece:

Prosecutions for hiring illegal immigrants fell in first year after rules changed

 

[Serge Forward]

Can someone explain to me like I’m 5 what this is achieving exactly?

You know that thing where everyone is supposed to point and say "look, a witch, jew, gypsy, foreigner, asylum seeker... hate them!" That's what it achieves.

 

[ska invita]

The absolute state of it, home office tweeting this out, like the public is going to cheer at the news of these men being caught in the act of .. doing the nightshift at an abatttoir.



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Links to this on the government website which proudly says it took 25 immigration officers to storm the place and arrest these two men, for working, one of whom oversayed his visa and the other is not supposed to be earning any money because his asylum claim isnt done yet. 25 officers ffs.

the law that asylum seekers cant work while their claim is being considered is ridiculous. the procedure can take literally years. how are people meant to live in the meantime? for a government that is currently whipping everyone else to the workhouse its additionally hypocritical

 

[bimble]

the law that asylum seekers cant work while their claim is being considered is ridiculous. the procedure can take literally years. how are people meant to live in the meantime? for a government that is currently whipping everyone else to the workhouse its additionally hypocritical

I had a look at it today and it seems you can work whilst you wait years for them to deal with your application now, but only if you find a job that’s on our post-brexit ‘shortage occupations list’. Johnson refused to put butchers on the list so that’s why they had to send 25 uniformed officers to that abattoir.

ETA only if you’ve been waiting for them to process your claim for 12 months or more.

From here

Risks of illegal migration to the UK

Information for migrants on the risks and realities of travelling to the UK through dangerous or illegal routes, and the safe and legal alternatives.

www.gov.uk

 

[belboid]

I had a look at it today and it seems you can work whilst you wait years for them to deal with your application now, but only if you find a job that’s on our post-brexit ‘shortage occupations list’. Johnson refused to put butchers on the list

SOC 5431, Butchers:
Butcher
Butcher’s assistant
Butchery manager
Master butcher
Slaughterman

 

[ska invita]

is this the shortage occupation list?

Immigration Rules

A collection of the current Immigration Rules.

www.gov.uk

bizarre list - graphic designers? cant see butchers on there

 

[belboid]

is this the shortage occupation list?

Immigration Rules

A collection of the current Immigration Rules.

www.gov.uk

bizarre list - graphic designers? cant see butchers on there

thats the specialist list where you only need to be paid 80% of the going rate!

Skilled Worker visa: eligible occupations and codes

www.gov.uk

 

[ska invita]

thats the specialist list where you only need to be paid 80% of the going rate!

Skilled Worker visa: eligible occupations and codes

www.gov.uk

i think thats different to what bimble is posting about...that list you posted is to get a visa...if you are here as an asylum seeker you cant work for the first year and if after 12 months pass your claim hasnt been processed you can the only do a job from the shortage list??

 

[belboid]

They are both shortage lists, but the lack of clarity is one reason why people keep falling foul of the rules

(Discretion to apply for jobs in my list IS allowed, but is rarely actually granted - https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01908/).

 

[sparkybird]

the law that asylum seekers cant work while their claim is being considered is ridiculous. the procedure can take literally years. how are people meant to live in the meantime? for a government that is currently whipping everyone else to the workhouse its additionally hypocritical

If you're in temporary accommodation (hotels) you get £9.10 a week. Not even enough for bus fares. Many people waiting do voluntary work and eventually many can access education. But the overall picture is of feeling bored, not useful and stuck in one room for 24 hours a day. Awful.

 

[teqniq]

This is interesting and is something that I had in passing wondered about myself (thread):

 

[MickiQ]

The conclusion I would draw from that is the word 'refugee' has just as negative a connotation as the word 'migrant' as far as much of the population are concerned. The whole the Public would be more welcoming if they knew the truth argument does not (sadly) stand up. I get the impression that a lot of people accept that a significant proportion of those on the boats are genuine refugees fleeing war and oppression but don't actually care.

 

[magneze]

This is interesting and is something that I had in passing wondered about myself (thread):

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

 

[teqniq]

Undeported illegal migrants ‘to cost UK £9bn over three years’

Seems like a real money spinner for the usual suspects, Serco, Ready Homes etc whilst doing absolutely fuck all to solve anything.

Interestingly in the article you will see a link to this piece:

Campaign to save Dambusters site ‘hijacked’ by Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson

If you search the hashtag #Scampton on Twitter as I did last night you will see it's full of racists and xenophobes

 

[teqniq]

Oh what a surprise:

Tories including Rishi Sunak used misleading immigration figures, watchdog finds

The UK Statistics Authority has written to the government after three ministers including Mr Sunak claimed in December that the current backlog is half what it was when Labour was in office - whereas official figures show it is 150,000 higher

www.mirror.co.uk

E2a Also:

 

[bimble]

An old falling to bits RAF base which they've been trying to sell for 5 years?
Far too good for the immigrants, they don't deserve to be locked up in such a Proud British Landmark.

Turning RAF Scampton, the home of the Dambusters, into a migrant dete…

archived 20 Mar 2023 15:54:44 UTC

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[teqniq]

Sixty-six children still missing after vanishing from Brighton asylum hotel

Senior family judge hears charity’s urgent bid to have ‘world’s most vulnerable children’ declared wards of court

www.theguardian.com

Utter fucking scum

 

[Humberto]

A few quotes from Tory Minister of State for Immigration Robert Jenrick in the HoC today (from Guardian):

We must not elevate the wellbeing of illegal migrants above those of the British people. It is in their interests we are sent here.

Accommodation for migrants should meet their essential living needs and nothing more. Because we cannot risk becoming a magnet for the millions of people who are displaced and seeking better economic prospects.
The sheer number of small boats have overwhelmed our asylum system and forced the government to place asylum seekers in hotels.
These hotels take valuable assets from communities and place pressures on local public services.
Seaside towns have lost tourist trade, weddings have been cancelled and local councils have had their resources diverted to manage them and the hardworking British taxpayer has been left to foot the eye-watering £2.3bn a year bill.

I can say that we don’t have a current plan to proceed with Linton-on-Ouse, but the sites that I’ve announced today are just the first set that we would like to take forward.
Because we want to remove people from hotels as quickly as possible and to move to this more rudimentary form of accommodation, which will reduce pull factors to the UK and defend the interests of the taxpayer.

 

[teqniq]

That is so much disingenuous bullshit. The asylum backlog has increased drastically under the vermin and it could be argued that this has been deliberate. Moreover Sunak recently lied about the figures in parliament. they completely disgust me.

 

[Humberto]

The logic and morals of it is really grim.

 

[teqniq]

Morals? There are none and very little in the way of actual logic either. It's all about ideology and dog whistle politics. It makes me so angry. I hope there will be an accounting sometime.

 

[teqniq]

I have mixed feelings regarding Yvette Cooper but here she completely demolishes the vermin:

 

[DotCommunist]

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[Raheem]

What bimble said above and this:

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The UK government want to contest the notion that it is the US-style flexibility of the UK labour market that is the driver of "illegal" migration. It's been noticeable that some EU voices have been pointing this out since the small boats issue became politically convenient for the tories. They really don't want this inconvenient truth to gain any traction as it might raise questions about why and how "illegal" African migrants end up filling the job shortages caused by their brexit.

I hereby declare this post officially interesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

An old falling to bits RAF base which they've been trying to sell for 5 years?
Far too good for the immigrants, they don't deserve to be locked up in such a Proud British Landmark.

Turning RAF Scampton, the home of the Dambusters, into a migrant dete…

archived 20 Mar 2023 15:54:44 UTC

archive.ph

Given the dambusters association and specifically the nane of wing commander gibson's dog it's perhaps not the best place to house asylum seekers. Or perhaps an indication of the obvious contempt in which the government holds refugees

 

[teqniq]

This:

 

[Karl Masks]

This:

Offer the solution to win an election, or saddle Labour?