The thing is, there's probably no examples of Morgan being explicitly, openly racist, only examples of him pushing a racist agenda, furthering the cause of racists. That stuff is a lot more subtle and arguable, and tbh no-one is very interested in arguing the toss about whether something is racist or not with you, today.
The Dominic Cummings file
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There's plenty of threads on here about him, go read them, and pick one to take the off-topic conversation to.
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www.urban75.net
Agreed. I did already apologise for the derail.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Well it would be interesting to pinpoint exactly when the "two weeks" thing (backed up by decent evidence) first appeared either on here or on other social media. I remember it popping up as a thing on facebook too, that people were sharing. The first time, I looked at it, and thought yeah, the numbers do look rather similar but they are still very small numbers so we should be cautious. Then I remember it reappearing a couple (?) of days later, where the case that we were following a very similar trajectory, but with a two week lag, had become pretty convincing. I assume that something similar was going on in the minds of the SAGE people - but there would be a lag between the first of them seeing the first suggestions, being cautious at first, seeing fruther info, discussing it with others at the next meeting, and then making the decision that the evidence was strong enough that they change their officially expressed position.I continually go back and re-read stuff from the key period in question.
I do not suggest that any perfect and complete pictures of the future were presented here. But on the key question of timing at a crucial stage, large chunks of this country got the right idea about the sense of immediacy in a way the government and SAGE utterly failed to.
I was cautious and balanced at the time. I did not immediately reject the 'we are 4 weeks behind Italy', I was skeptical about the claim and I repeatedly questioned it without declaring that they were most certainly wrong. But others on this forum and elsewhere already figured out that the reality was that we were 2 weeks behind Italy. It was not that hard to get that right. SAGE likely got it wrong because the UK data collection systems were ill prepared for this pandemic, and the modelling was imperfect. Someone probably made a trivial mistake somewhere in there, and the collective wisdom of SAGE did not spot it and correct it in a timely manner. It did not take them all that long to figure out that they got it wrong, but the consequences were still a disaster for the timing of the UK response. And there was still the tedious process of them trying to save some face and make a series of corrections to their initial timing prediction instead of just accepting the obvious reality in one go. And they were so bloody late at getting round to estimating these things in the first place, it really is painful to see how far behind the curve they were for so long.
March 10th: SAGE 14 minutes: Coronavirus (COVID-19) response, 10 March 2020
March 13th. The first correction, with some detail about why they were wrong before: SAGE 15 minutes: Coronavirus (COVID-19) response, 13 March 2020
March 16th:
March 18th:
This was an avoidable tragedy, it was quite avoidable even without the various massive benefits of hindsight. The picture I have of this period is still incomplete, eg the exact combination of data & modelling failures that caused them to get it so wrong, when people without access to the same data or models were able to figure it out more effectively.
It is still my intention to take a nice break in June, and I do not intend to convince everyone of this case I am making. And I am biased against small, closed groups of experts having too much of a monopoly over things. Collective wisdom requires a different political setup and a much broader array of participants, and a greater willingness to make rapid corrections, challenge assumptions, challenge the confines of the orthodox approach. I will not go on about this further right now, I just have a few other issues to comment on in a few other threads and then I get my break, and everyone gets a break from me
It might well be that they were significantly slower than the 'hive mind' to cotton on - it's certainly an interesting question. However - I think it's quite plausible that if you replaced the SAGE committees with the best informed posters on here, then a similar amount of time would have passed before the two weeks assumption became the official one.
There's plenty of threads on here about him, go read them, and pick one to take the off-topic conversation to.
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Thanks. Most of those threads appear to be highlighting him actually taking down racist fuckwits and gun nuts which is quite hilarious
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
fuck knows why you are doing this, you cant really be this daft, can you? two seconds googling:
ITV's Good Morning Britain warned by Ofcom over Piers Morgan's 'racist' comments
Ofcom has issued a warning to ITV after an incident involving 'offensive and racist' comments made by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain.
Lisa Nandy clashes with Piers Morgan over Meghan racism claims
Labour leadership hopeful asks ‘how on earth’ presenter would know about suffering prejudice
Piers Morgan SLAMMED as racist after insensitive Muhammad Ali comments
Piers Morgan SLAMMED on Twitter for being racist after he tweeted insensitive Muhammad Ali comments. Chrissy Teigen and John Legend got involved in the argument.
plus all the ones where he is being deliberately 'provocative' to wind black people up
Piers Morgan just sunk to a new low, and Twitter can't take it any more
What are you DOING, Piers?
mashable.com
Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
www.sportsjoe.ie
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elbows
Well-Known Member
They should have been able to figure it out for themselves, even if they didnt have the time or inclination to see what other people were saying.
The nature of the situation meant that nobody had really brilliant data and evidence, so everyone had to operate with less solid info than they would have liked. But being aware of the quality of data and models and the resulting low levels of confidence in the results is an important part of doing a good job with this stuff. Whether people from here and elsewhere woudl have done a better job would have come down to how much blind faith was placed in the UK data & modelling, and whether the time was taken to see if the modelling results were a good fit with the other, simpler forms of data analysis. Something went wrong in this regard, perhaps there was bias towards the timing they would have liked and against the more alarming but accurate predictions.
As for social media, media articles etc, I dont know the precise origins of this stuff. I can find sporadic references to it by March 4th on twitter, eg:
By March 9th I can see something more substantial, with a graph:
As for U75, the first I remember clearly of it was when someone incorrectly attributed a statement that we were 11 days behind Italy to me. In fact it was Fez909 who did all that work. Here is a post from March 6th where they discuss the detail:
#3,001
There are caveats because much uncertainty was inevitable. The precautionary approach would be to go with the worst-case timing predictions of the time, and we have seen the consequences of that not happening.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
fuck knows why you are doing this, you cant really be this daft, can you? two seconds googling:
ITV's Good Morning Britain warned by Ofcom over Piers Morgan's 'racist' comments
Ofcom has issued a warning to ITV after an incident involving 'offensive and racist' comments made by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain.www.worcesternews.co.uk
Lisa Nandy clashes with Piers Morgan over Meghan racism claims
Labour leadership hopeful asks ‘how on earth’ presenter would know about suffering prejudicewww.theguardian.com
Piers Morgan SLAMMED as racist after insensitive Muhammad Ali comments
Piers Morgan SLAMMED on Twitter for being racist after he tweeted insensitive Muhammad Ali comments. Chrissy Teigen and John Legend got involved in the argument.closeronline.co.uk
plus all the ones where he is being deliberately 'provocative' to wind black people up
Piers Morgan just sunk to a new low, and Twitter can't take it any more
What are you DOING, Piers?Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
Good list.
Also, how can phone hacking not be enough to dislike the guy? He was cleared in court but only because of really strict rules (and those laws protect ordinary people too). But he wrote about phone hacking in his own biography, talked to people about phone hacking, and he was the editor while a lot of it went on, so the buck stopped with him. It also fitted with his general aggressive tactics as editor. There really isn't any doubt that he did it.
That aggression is really useful at the moment because for some reason he's decided to go after the government. And he's more plausible because he is a right-wing Tory who often says stupid mildly offensive things rather than a wet woolly liberal. He's very useful at the moment. Doesn't mean he wasn't an arsehole in the past and probably will be again in the future.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i ask again: why don't you come back and answer the questions you've been asked on this thread?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Its that sort of comment that tempts me not to take a break at all, but I still will.
Its not just me being off in my own world of ranting you know.....
The silence of the chief scientists is worrying and deeply political
The chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, and chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, did not speak out when asked about the Dominic Cummings affair, compromising urgent public health messaging. This makes their positions untenable.
www.newstatesman.com
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ruffneck23
front left
have we had this yet ?
www.theguardian.com
Government fails to distance Dominic Cummings from sex discrimination case
Boris Johnson aide could be personally liable in tribunal case brought by sacked adviser
Supine
Newt Member
I don't know how you managed to take offence at my comment, it wasn't meant in a bad way. Post or don't post, whatever.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I can be excessively prickly at times, a good reason in itself for me to take a nice break from all these words.
Still time for one more story that was unimpressed by Whitty and Vallance:
Euan McColm: Taint of Cummings spreads from cabinet to its scientists
I wonder what they dreamed of when they started out in politics, the Matt Hancocks and the Rishi Sunaks. I wonder how they imagined their careers might play out and what great things they might achieve.
www.scotsman.com
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
In endorsing this 100%, it's also possible to enjoy the discomfort he is presently causing the vermin
steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
AND HE BANNED ME FROM TWITTER!fuck knows why you are doing this, you cant really be this daft, can you? two seconds googling:
ITV's Good Morning Britain warned by Ofcom over Piers Morgan's 'racist' comments
Ofcom has issued a warning to ITV after an incident involving 'offensive and racist' comments made by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain.Lisa Nandy clashes with Piers Morgan over Meghan racism claims
Labour leadership hopeful asks ‘how on earth’ presenter would know about suffering prejudicePiers Morgan SLAMMED as racist after insensitive Muhammad Ali comments
Piers Morgan SLAMMED on Twitter for being racist after he tweeted insensitive Muhammad Ali comments. Chrissy Teigen and John Legend got involved in the argument.
plus all the ones where he is being deliberately 'provocative' to wind black people up
Piers Morgan just sunk to a new low, and Twitter can't take it any more
What are you DOING, Piers?Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
Rio Ferdinand has perfect response to Piers Morgan's take on Raheem Sterling abuse
(for calling him a cunt, which is factually correct.)
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You mean he blocked you?
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
It was all just a matter of bad luck and timing for Dom.
Going over the SAGE minutes from 23rd March and noted that the London NHS ICU capacity was expected to be exceeded within 10 days
Mary Wakefield becomes unwell, and the rest we know. The Cummings family flee London in their oil-tanker fuel tank Range Rover.
Going over the SAGE minutes from 23rd March and noted that the London NHS ICU capacity was expected to be exceeded within 10 days
Mary Wakefield becomes unwell, and the rest we know. The Cummings family flee London in their oil-tanker fuel tank Range Rover.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Enough already on Morgan. He's a total cunt, but one who is serving a very useful service at the moment by calling the govt to account on mainstream tv. That's all. We don't need to endorse anything else by him.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
This is Piers Viglen we're talking about - if we're in the general neighbourhood of 50% accuracy then we're cruising
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
What eh pardonThis is Piers Viglen we're talking about - if we're in the general neighbourhood of 50% accuracy then we're cruising
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Sorry, a simple tip of the keyboard
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Did I say ‘a simple tip’? I mean 67,000 slips.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Twitter did that then. He’s not that powerful!
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Not for calling him a cunt you didn't.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Oh jesus, just come back to this thread. My sincere, and I mean that, apologies for raising Piers fucking Morgan. He's not really crossed my radar before this so I did a little research, found he actually shared quite a few of my opinions, had a discussion with my partner over dinner, who shares most of your views and thought I'd discuss with it you. Please. Stop.
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