brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Brake (const. 54% L) was a Noes teller.
The Brexit process
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gosub
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So vote not counted. Oh and Cashalton is estimated at 56.3%
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
The Commission is just a bunch of very sackable suits. It's the Council you want to worry about i.e member states. They do seem to be leaning towards hardball particularly the French. Poor old Greece ended up in a similar position facing actually powerful, rather angry foreign ministers after over playing their hand. The clever,clever, three Brexiteers rubbing everyone up the wrong way really are not helping. I also wouldn't count on the arrival of jingoistically nationalistic replacement governments as being at all helpful.A fair summation of the EU commission, playing 'hardball' at this stage isn't going to do any party any favours in the long run.
In fact it's playing into the hands of the tiny band of 'racist little Englanders' who despite the protestations of the remainders, had little real impact on the referendum.
But the efforts of some in the commissions negotiating team, who are clearly out to damage the UK as much as possible in the exit process, a desire jointly, to capture as much of our exports as possible ( mainly the financial sector) and to scare off any other countries who might consider following us out, will give the hardliners here in the UK a lot more support.
We are leaving, anybody with a grain of common knows an amicable divorce is always the best option.
Brussels needs to think about the bairns-
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...are they going to send them an income tax return to do every year then...? 
andysays
Love and solidarity
In other words, this looks like part of the pre-negotiating jockeying-for-position etc, just as much as any of the recent statements by the May govt and everyone else.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The British government is, I tentatively predict, going to reject this associate citizenship idea out of hand. Not least because it will doubtless come with a caveat that May and pals cannot be seen to accept, such as a high level of ongoing contributions to the EU budget and/or similar rights for EU citizens.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I wonder if the Guardian might offer EU 'citizenship' as a prize in some sort of blind-dating/short-story sort of competition?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh
Only verhofstadt is the European parliament's brexit guy. he isn't pretending to be the EU council wallah. nor is Barnier, who is the EU commission's chief negotiator.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Who exactly are these people? The graunid keeps posting pictures of them in any Brexit related story
They have a very vague twitter account
Movement for Justice (@followMFJ) on Twitter
They have a very vague twitter account
Movement for Justice (@followMFJ) on Twitter
andysays
Love and solidarity
This, as I believe the saying goes, will go well...
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Fair enough. It's about time Ireland played a stronger role in the UK's affairs
gosub
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Well they will knock it up to the ECJ coz its beyond their scope. ECJ might have some interesting ideas about ALL parties, but will find that if ALL parties want to rescind it can be rescinded.. Leave will still happen (that bit of the divorce where one/both sides act like nightmare to stop break up.......doesn't really work) BUT helps provide evidence for those unhappy with end arrangement to take case to UN court that dealings weren't done in good faith.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
'Tis an odd one, we are EU citizens and will be stripped of that citizenship when the UK leaves the EU. Can see potential law lols in sueing both the UK government and the EU over this outrage.
Hashtag: clusterfuck
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Who exactly are these people? The graunid keeps posting pictures of them in any Brexit related story
They have a very vague twitter account
Movement for Justice (@followMFJ) on Twitter
Movement for justice campaigns primarily against immigration detention and they're pretty damn good at it. I wasn't aware they had any particular position on brexit, I suspect these are just a handful of windmill-tilters who have chosen to put MFJ on their banners.
gosub
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Theresa May faces new Brexit legal challenge
And another one...,as much as I have always thought Single Market was the right thing at this stage, not sure I get this one Miller (rightly) proved that Parliament is Sovereign so to limit its scope to exactly one prescribed option would be a fucked up definition of sovereignty, and to say that the idea of leaving the Single market wasn't outlined - you had to carefully read the government literature to understand that it was even an option and it was one both IN and OUT glossed over.
Hislop on HIGNFY called the Miller case "jobs for the boys", he was wrong on that one but these subsequent cases are frivolous at best
And another one...,as much as I have always thought Single Market was the right thing at this stage, not sure I get this one Miller (rightly) proved that Parliament is Sovereign so to limit its scope to exactly one prescribed option would be a fucked up definition of sovereignty, and to say that the idea of leaving the Single market wasn't outlined - you had to carefully read the government literature to understand that it was even an option and it was one both IN and OUT glossed over.
Hislop on HIGNFY called the Miller case "jobs for the boys", he was wrong on that one but these subsequent cases are frivolous at best
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Heard this on the radio so I dont know who said this - In response to warnings that a deal with the EU would take "over a decade" some tory minister said "nonsense" citing as evidence that the US recently arranged a trade deal with jordon in just 4 months.
That will be the same Jordon whose GDP is ranked about 80th in the world and whos economy is 100 time smaller than the UK's.
Beyond satire.
That will be the same Jordon whose GDP is ranked about 80th in the world and whos economy is 100 time smaller than the UK's.
Beyond satire.
red & green
Well-Known Member
David Davis at the select committee this week - what a buffoon
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
On SwissInfo How an issue of immigration turned into one of unemployment
Swiss native unemployment is below what most countries regard as a baseline level despite a very generous benefits system and a Swiss aversion to the sort of skilled manual jobs they once liked. Employers often do show preferences to natives but would circumvent this measure as they always used to by doing some extra interviews and passing the raised hiring costs onto employees.
I doubt the vastly more emotive British Brexit will end up in such a damp squib but this is an example of a marginally majoritarian populist impulse getting lost in weeds after turning out to be really, really complicated.
Of course the Swiss can have another referendum if someone raises a 100K signature petition. The People Having Spoken really doesn't mean everybody should just accept the result and shut the fuck up on such matters in Switzerland. They'd think that rather potty.
In 2014 the Swiss voted to reimpose EU immigrations quotas though what that meant like Brexit was open to interpretation. Then some months later against a permanent pretty high immigration quota. Unlike in the UK the former decision is constitutionally binding; Berne had to act on it within three years. The latter vote was a strong signal that Berne should not do anything daft that would bugger the economy. Now all it seems to be resulting in is this rather modest measure linked to unemployment levels.
Swiss native unemployment is below what most countries regard as a baseline level despite a very generous benefits system and a Swiss aversion to the sort of skilled manual jobs they once liked. Employers often do show preferences to natives but would circumvent this measure as they always used to by doing some extra interviews and passing the raised hiring costs onto employees.
I doubt the vastly more emotive British Brexit will end up in such a damp squib but this is an example of a marginally majoritarian populist impulse getting lost in weeds after turning out to be really, really complicated.
Of course the Swiss can have another referendum if someone raises a 100K signature petition. The People Having Spoken really doesn't mean everybody should just accept the result and shut the fuck up on such matters in Switzerland. They'd think that rather potty.
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...the Australian High Commissioner was on the Sunday Brillo Show yesterday saying the US-Australia free trade deal was negotiated in 17 months or thereabouts tbf...
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
Jordan's also economically dependant on US aid. Bent over and spreading them is going to be the basic negotiating position. And it's a monarchy not 27 contrary democracies.
It was one thing gilding the Brexit lily in order to swing a Leave vote; that's just cynical politics. The persistence in delusion on its complexities isn't even funny anymore. These people have about as much competence to carry this mammoth legislative task out as tarmac a driveway. At least a team of passing Tinkers would make a show of knowing what they are up to.
gosub
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Fear Not! The HoC library have provided some homework so our elected representatives can get up to speed over the holiday.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7840/CBP-7840.pdf
I have a bad feeling about this.
gosub
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Tusk is being bounced.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
a piffling matter. The Uk post-brexit deal will sale through the digestive system of the not-at-all complex, EU multi member negotiation process and into the toilet bowl of international trade like an otter slipping off a bank. not.
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gosub
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Or side step the lot of them with combination of preloading leave agreement (to be agreed by straight majority of EUropean Parliament and QMV of EUropean Council) and joining EFTA (to be agreed by the four members of EFTA)
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The39thStep
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