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The Brexit Party
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Starry Wisdom
one whiff of the trough and farage's snout's right in it
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
still not clear what they found that was "shocking" - a very big car park full of BMWs and mercs? Well fuck me. As opposed to the moped nigel farage use?
Still got to respect them for refusing to take their seats and donating the fat pay packets to help for heroes, or a fund that supports impoverished fishermen.
Oh - hang on ...
Still got to respect them for refusing to take their seats and donating the fat pay packets to help for heroes, or a fund that supports impoverished fishermen.
Oh - hang on ...
The Ann Widdecombe Fund for the Joylessly Bewildered
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Proof Glastonbury has grown too big
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Just read brexit party now has 115,000 members
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It doesn't. You as a member of the public cannot join the Brexit Party; you can only become a "registered supporter" which costs you £25 a year. You get no say in anything for that £25.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
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Per year? Rentier cunts
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Brexit Party - Wikipediahave you been reading the daily express again
Two sources on that number in there, sky news and guardian (quoting Farage)
Gerry1time
Did a wee in Dirac's toilet
Another Boris type wanker, but a less stupid haircut.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
£200 billion of investment outside of London as the headline slogan indicates a) the BP has learnt well from the mistakes of UKIP about messaging and b) that the BP intends to target labour seats and heartland areas and not affluent Tory ones.
I note also that the ‘100 unnamed candidates’ suggests a proper vetting process has been introduced suggesting other past errors have also been learnt from
Nigel Farage urges Tories to 'step aside' to let Brexit Party beat Labour
I note also that the ‘100 unnamed candidates’ suggests a proper vetting process has been introduced suggesting other past errors have also been learnt from
Nigel Farage urges Tories to 'step aside' to let Brexit Party beat Labour
not-bono-ever
meh
Nigel Farage furious over TV show assassinating 'Neil Fromage'
farage is getting very thin skinned these days
farage is getting very thin skinned these days
SpineyNorman
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He's a special little snowflake, needs a lactose free safe space.
Jeremiah18.17
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They certainly seem well represented in the avatars of any number of Twitter trolls currently dogpiling on people posting about either the Andy Ngo/milkshaking affair or the September Climate Strike. When Farage says he is “building an army” perhaps we should take him a little more seriously- while UKIP fades and fails, he is (re-)uniting all the nastiest and potentially violent elements of the British Right under a single banner, whilst his mate Banks has organised an entryist invasion to neutralise any soft Tory resistance to the rightwards/Bannonite march.....
Jeremiah18.17
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It will all be grist to the mill of the perpetually aggrieved white boomers that are his main audience/weapon.
All the outrage, over milkshakes, Brand joke, this TV show etc is utilised to build a bloc of people (as in the US with the “Antifa are domestic terrorists” meme) for whom violence against opponents/scapegoats/media (when it comes) will be seen as “self defence” against “violent terrorists/commies” - it is in every would be dictators playbook.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Doubt any of that is the case. UKIP (and their) problem was always that they fundamentally are a single issue party; once that goes away (as it does at every GE and most by-elections) then the reason for voting for them evaporates. No amount of fantasy policy can change that, especially fantasy policy that is pushed out by ex-Tories that obviously runs counter to everything they still believe and which Labour (for once) is offering in a rather more realistic and achievable form.
As for the '100 unnamed candidates', that is almost certainly to prevent others vetting them before the next election - which he (correctly) thinks is right around the corner - rather than due to them doing due diligence. It is also yet another sign - if any were needed - of how little grassroots support they actually must have.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Farage complaining in media about Brand & Berry isn't him being thin skinned, it's intentional capitalisation which strengthens his portrayal as a rebel against the (liberal) establishment
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I think some of the posters on this thread need to read Eatwell and Goodwin's Pelican Primer on National Populism.
For example the above is debunked by Eatwell and Goodwin (as it has been debunked by others previously). Like UKIP/BNP/FN/AfD/etc the Brexit Party have specifically tried to distinguish itself from the ideological and/or violent racists/far-rightists. It is precisely because these national populist parties are able to appeal to "normal" voters that makes them so dangerous.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
That’s wide of the mark for a number of reasons. Firstly, as you note UKIP floundered post the referendum result. Given that Brexit is highly unlikely to be delivered before another poll different conditions entirely apply for the BP. Secondly, UKIP policy, such as it was, outside of the question of the EU both tacked to populist right policies that enjoyed diminishing support and secondly were extremely badly presented. The package unveiled yesterday tacks to the left. Specifically post industrial and coastal ‘left behind’ areas and directly engages Labour on the question of investment and regeneration. Both parties will need to borrow to deliver their proposals and so the choice will be investment and leave the EU or investment and remain (which is where labour are heading).
Finally, all of the evidence is that they’ve stepped up their vetting policy. They stood a full slate in the Euros without any damage. I dispute whether they need 600 plus candidates because I do not think they intend to stand against the tories (I think an alliance with a Johnson led Tory party is being planned). Finding 100 credible candidates - without loon right backgrounds/skeletons is a much much easier ask too.
None of this is inevitable, and Peterborough whichever way Farage tries to spin it was a major setback for them. But, they only need to win in 10-20 labour seats to change the dynamic
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FridgeMagnet
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Well, let's not pretend that this is more than plausible ideological deniability, though. They make active efforts to distinguish themselves from meatheads because the meatheads have unrecoverable PR, but they often forget this. The UKIP/BP split is between those who are aware of simple practicality and those who aren't.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It’s also a conscious effort by the BP to cut away the deadwood around the periphery. Similar work was necessary by Front National and others. Time will tell but it looks like that’s been achieved.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Who are you talking about here? Those that lead the parties or those that vote for them? I certainly don't accept your claim with respect to voters, Eatwell and Goodwin's book (along with plenty of other works) make it clear that those that vote for national populist parties come from a far wider net than just those who are ideological racists.
I agree with it to an extent with respect to the leadership but even there there are exceptions. As nasty pieces of work as Fox and Widdicome undoubtably are they are not ideological racists like Tyndall or Griffin.
Like Eatwell & Goodwin and many other I see the distinction between ethnic and cultural nationalism as not just "plausible ideological deniability" but a real political difference that distinguishes national populists from older far-right parties.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It will continue to be necessary. In my lifetime I've seen countless far right groups and parties being sanitised by successive ones when it became undeniable what they were about and there is no way the BP will be the last one.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I have not read Eatwell & Goodwin's book - not one I'm familiar with - but I don't draw a hard distinction between ethnic and cultural nationalism at all, and I would be interested to see an argument that could convince me to. In my experience they are massively blurred; "culture" has become a byword for "race" in the rhetoric recently now that racial discrimination has kind of a bad image, but the exact same arguments are deployed. The softer racist groups will always have a broader appeal but I don't consider that to be a qualitative difference.
For the record I do also consider the mainstream parties to be on this spectrum. They do have other aspects though which run somewhat deeper, whereas, say, BP doesn't really have anything.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sadly the deadwood you refer to often isn't dead but goes and forms or joins other groups be it the nf, Britain first, etc etc, or off to groups like na or gi.
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