The Brexit Party

[Treacle Toes]

Gutted to see treelover is still with us, pleased to see the little Welsh fella is though.

Who is us? Who is your imaginary gang then?

 

[Wilf]

Gutted to see treelover is still with us, pleased to see the little Welsh fella is though.

I'd keep treelover over a dozen clowns like you, any day of the week.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd keep treelover over a dozen clowns like you, any day of the week.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Dom Traynor]

Who is us? Who is your imaginary gang then?

Sorry who are you?

 

[brogdale]

Hard to argue with...

 

[Pickman's model]

Hard to argue with...

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yeh but they're a bit fucked for the next number of months as there aren't any elections planned. the novelty of farage's vehicle and their good fortune in having two elections so close together won't last. not to mention that they're in the way of being hostages to fortune because their support will ebb away in the absence of future activity and as the tawdry nature of their activists becomes clearer. note i don't say their support will collapse, i think they'll poll above 15-20% for quite some time. but many people who have turned to them will return to former parties or to apathy, while farage's time's not yet wholly passed, i think he's no longer in the summer of his career.

 

[andysays]

Hard to argue with...

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And along similar lines, at the moment it doesn't matter if Farage manages to become an MP. He doesn't have to stand in by-elections like yesterday's, in fact it's safer for him not to.

I wonder though, if this will continue to be the case when we eventually get to the next GE, when the failure to win significant numbers of MPs will start to take the shine off

 

[brogdale]

yeh but they're a bit fucked for the next number of months as there aren't any elections planned. the novelty of farage's vehicle and their good fortune in having two elections so close together won't last. not to mention that they're in the way of being hostages to fortune because their support will ebb away in the absence of future activity and as the tawdry nature of their activists becomes clearer. note i don't say their support will collapse, i think they'll poll above 15-20% for quite some time. but many people who have turned to them will return to former parties or to apathy, while farage's time's not yet wholly passed, i think he's no longer in the summer of his career.

True, but Goodall's point about the tory grief continuing all the while the BP exists (haunting it from the right, with the threat of electoral erosion) is sound, no?

 

[Dogsauce]

Are bookies offering any odds on when the first BP MEP quits or switches party? Flouncing is in the blood for this lot.

 

[Pickman's model]

True, but Goodall's point about the tory grief continuing all the while the BP exists (haunting it from the right, with the threat of electoral erosion) is sound, no?

i don't entirely agree, because while that's true now there's no telling when the bxp will get the opportunity to next receive a verdict from the court of public opinion. i suspect a greater danger to the tory party is, in the longer term, their erstwhile supporters simply not voting

 

[Benjy1992]

Lots of talk of political earthquakes surrounding BP. What is such a political earthquake about a former UKIP leader uniting ex-UKIP voters and disillusioned Tory and Labour voters into voting for his party?

We've seen it with UKIP before and are seeing it again with BP. A good Euro Election result that most likely won't translate to anything much in a GE if Peterborough is anything to go by.

 

[not-bono-ever]

If Farage did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him

 

[klang]

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thanks for clearly marking Dom Traynor's point of departure.

 

[Ranbay]

So he wants a seat at the negotiation table, to negotiate no deal then? right?

 

[Dogsauce]

On a huge mandate of 31% of the vote on a 37% turnout (11.5%). He can basically fuck off with that one, it’s not how it works.

 

[Ranbay]

On a huge mandate of 31% of the vote on a 37% turnout (11.5%). He can basically fuck off with that one, it’s not how it works.

Yeah, the point being you don't negotiate no deal.... so which one does he want?

 

[Dogsauce]

‘No deal’ will have to involve putting some agreements in place for basic stuff to work (like air traffic control etc.) otherwise things will get a bit dystopian very quickly. Hence the talk of ‘managed no deal’ by some Tory leadership hopefuls.

 

[Dogsauce]

& Farage will at least want to negotiate to ensure British EU parliamentarians get their pensions...

 

[brogdale]

i don't entirely agree, because while that's true now there's no telling when the bxp will get the opportunity to next receive a verdict from the court of public opinion. i suspect a greater danger to the tory party is, in the longer term, their erstwhile supporters simply not voting

Or, as in the Euro election, both; a fatal combination.

 

[killer b]

So he wants a seat at the negotiation table, to negotiate no deal then? right?

He doesn't, its trolling.

 

[gosub]

‘No deal’ will have to involve putting some agreements in place for basic stuff to work (like air traffic control etc.) otherwise things will get a bit dystopian very quickly. Hence the talk of ‘managed no deal’ by some Tory leadership hopefuls.

Actually no. As hard as the politicans have been making it, the likes of EASA have been making it clear there is a certain amount of onus on indivual companies to have their shit in order,. There is even a built in buffer period...
ALL THAT PREP FALLS APART IF THIS DRAGS ON PAST OCTOBER

 

[andysays]

He doesn't, its trolling.

In fact, I suggest that any role in which Farage has to take any responsibility for actually finding a way to implement Brexit is the last thing he wants.

His strength depends on his ability to portray himself as an outsider, locked out by the establishment. If he were put in the position of having to actually do anything rather than critcise his position would rapidly disintegrate.

 

[killer b]

An issue whichever no deal headbanger wins the Tory leadership is going to butt up against fairly quickly too

 

[gosub]

In fact, I suggest that any role in which Farage has to take any responsibility for actually finding a way to implement Brexit is the last thing he wants.

His strength depends on his ability to portray himself as an outsider, locked out by the establishment. If he were put in the position of having to actually do anything rather than critcise his position would rapidly disintegrate.

Already did.. Last month said "Would have been happy with Norway now has to be no deal..
". Norway has freedom of movement he spent the entire referendum campaigning against

 

[stavros]

If Farage did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him

Only if one wanted him to exist.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

To be fair to treelover in particular, anecdotally being from a poor background as well as being working class (still am!), the moralising scrutiny, even from those in the working class, on the spending of money by poor people (especially unemployed) no matter the context or particular circumstance, is a 'thing,' and way before the existence and popular use of various online social media platforms. Those pressures were real for me alright.

I don't think killer b understands the working class, or rather the experience of the most struggling strata within it, if he thinks the stuff mentioned is just clueless wankers being irrelevant online. These wankers were at my school, in my neighborhood, my friends' parents houses in the nicer parts of town and at work when I left school. No mobile phones or twatter accounts. It definitely marks you. You internalise shit, those doing the moralising also internalise the shit from above. I don't believe he's ever felt the shame of poverty.

Absolutely.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Although not the specific mention on Killer B, I know nothing of his understanding of the working class, lacking or otherwise

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

There’s a hell of a lot of knee jerking on the last couple of pages. I don’t see where anyone has said all WC people are dirt poor, what do you guys want a fuckload of asterisks in small print at the end clarifying what isn’t to be read between the lines just in case anyone takes offence? CAN WE HAVE SOME GOOD FAITH IN THE ROOM?!?

 

[cupid_stunt]

SNP MEP apologises over Brexit Party claim

SNP MEP Alyn Smith has issued an "unreserved" apology over his allegation that the Brexit Party is a "money laundering front".

Brexit Party chairman Richard Tice threatened to sue Mr Smith over the claim, which he made in a TV interview. Mr Smith has now admitted he did not have any evidence to support his claim.

He has agreed to pay a "significant" contribution to Mr Tice's legal costs, and will also make a donation to the Help for Heroes charity.

Mr Smith was being interviewed on Sky News following last month's European Elections when he claimed that the Brexit Party - which is led by Nigel Farage - was "a shell company that's a money laundering front".

Ouch, I bet that hurt.