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Raheem
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Think there's a problem with this story. A Biden victory probably does shift the calculus in terms of a US-UK trade deal. But Trump is also not in a position to make generous gifts to the UK in terms of trade without controlling Congress. There's a pretty clear line from Congress that there's no prospect of a deal with the UK unless the UK has a deal with the EU which protects the GFA. So it wouldn't make sense for Johnson to think the US will come to his rescue in the event of no deal. Not to mention that by "to his rescue" we would be talking about a plaster on a severed limb anyway.
I would expect the UK has been using Trump as a threat in negotiations with the EU, but this will have been about security rather than trade.
philosophical
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Yes. For the most part isn't that what nearly everybody writes...opinions?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'Taking back control'
Oh noes my master has lost power...
Noises are that Biden is not going to look kindly on world leaders who cosied up to Trump. Whatever the truth to that, back in the real world, the US's relationship with the EU is more important than its relationship with the UK. We also shouldn't understate the importance of Ireland in domestic US politics. Far more important than the UK.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Hugely balanced article from the Guardian.
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Our Brexit future? Come January, it looks more and more like 1980s Russia
The shorthand we used to understand Russia back then was: nobody could get a pair of Levi’s. An upcoming VAT change could create something similar in the UK
ska invita
back on the other side
Zoe Williams is a joke, see her response to Corbyn leadershipHugely balanced article from the Guardian.
Our Brexit future? Come January, it looks more and more like 1980s Russia
The shorthand we used to understand Russia back then was: nobody could get a pair of Levi’s. An upcoming VAT change could create something similar in the UK
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
nancy pelosi and others have said that as the united states is a guarantor of the gfa they will look poorly on anything which undermines that. and that might also affect any trade agreement under discussion.
perhaps the importance not of ireland but of irish america might influence it
but it's not simple greenwash, they do have responsibilities under international law
but hey make things up on the trot, why don't you
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ireland is important in domestic US politics precisely because of Irish Americans. I left off the 'because of Irish Americans' bit because I assumed most posters would know enough to take it as read. Clearly not.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
The Irish-American lobby is actually huge.
It really is quite funny, to see every single legislator scrambling frantically to find every single Irish ancestor they can, every single St Patrick's Day.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but i wasn't talking about domestic us politics, this being a thread about brexit.
in the future when i make reference to the usg being a guarantor of an international agreement perhaps you'll take the hint that i am not focussing on us domestic politics. and i don't know why you mentioned it when it's not germane to the matter at hand
i assumed most posters would know enough to take the hint.
clearly not.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
My daughter's boyfriend (who is Irish) tells me that there are 7 million in Ireland (5 in the south and 2 in the north) but 85 million people around the world who identify as Irish including my mum who is 1/16th Irish (her great-grandfather was deported back from Manchester to Dublin on those very grounds). Every (and I mean EVERY) time she sees my daughter's boyfriend she tells him this like she hasn't mentioned it a thousand times before.The Irish-American lobby is actually huge.
It really is quite funny, to see every single legislator scrambling frantically to find every single Irish ancestor they can, every single St Patrick's Day.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
presumably from a workhouse? the irish poor could be deported from england: there was no similar scheme to remove the english poor from ireland
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
He drank in the wrong pubs from what I understand, he knew a number of people involved in the Fenian Bombing campaigns of the 1880's and whilst probably not directly involved was classed as an undesirable (an Irish one to boot)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there's a story or two there, could be worth looking into
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Ireland basically emptied in the 19th century and into the 20th, I don't think Ireland's at the same population level even now.
From wiki.
Poverty, famine, the English...
From wiki.
Poverty, famine, the English...
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Cornwall only recovered from the copper mining crash of the 1860s and emigration to Australia, USA etc. a hundred years later. The village I live in is still a fair bit smaller now than it was then and has quite a few ruins of old houses from the 1800s. Since then faster population growth than the rest of the UK.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
all the dfl's i suppose
krtek a houby
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The Irish-American lobby is actually huge.
It really is quite funny, to see every single legislator scrambling frantically to find every single Irish ancestor they can, every single St Patrick's Day.
Few years back, met some Americans on St Patrick's Day in a faux Irish pub and they said they were Irish. Oh, whereabouts from, I asked.
Chicago, they said. Never been to Ireland and couldn't name the Taoiseach or any political parties.
Nice lads, all the same.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i wonder how many people in ireland wish they lived in the same blissful ignorance
philosophical
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I believe the reason the Irish diaspora is alive, cherished, remembered and significant for so many is because of the traumatic circumstances that led to so much emigration in the past.
I also believe that many many Irish people who remain on the island are aware and sensitive to the regard held by descendants of Irish emigrants about their roots.
The concept of a 'plastic paddy' does exist, but it runs alongside the notion for many native Irish that there are new generations out there in the world who would still be welcomed 'home' and regarded as family.
I also believe that many many Irish people who remain on the island are aware and sensitive to the regard held by descendants of Irish emigrants about their roots.
The concept of a 'plastic paddy' does exist, but it runs alongside the notion for many native Irish that there are new generations out there in the world who would still be welcomed 'home' and regarded as family.
philosophical
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I get that impression too. Years ago when I was in Cornwall (this is not a scientific study) a local remarked to me that there would be a Cornishman somewhere down every mine on the planet.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Yes... and no. There were always the tourists who were fleeced, ripped off and jeered at. Others returning "home", were sometimes treated with suspicion. But that was long ago, most domestic Irish are confident enough to embrace the cultural differences nowadays.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
"A mine is a hole with a Cornishman at the bottom" is the saying round here. A lot of the Cornish mines closed when the price of tin and arsenic fell at the end of 19th century and thousands went all over the world to mine. Cornishmen. In holes. All over the world.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
What the fuck is this?
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