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[Mezzer]

Has anyone heard of such an expression? I haven’t!

"Johnson said he was making the decision to prepare for no deal with “a high heart”. " Obviously, 'light heart', doesn't quite cut it, umm, what shall we use then.....

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

irish republicanism has always had a class dimension from wolfe tone to the present, it's not a comfy middle-class philosophy.

you can deny whatever you please. but there was no requirement on any government to quit the eea, to quit the single market, to quit the customs union. no one ever voted not to enter efta.

lest we forget the question and answers available on 23/6/16 were
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no opinion on efta, the eea, the single market, the customs union was sought.

No-one's opinion was even sought on leaving the EU. Just a binary yes/no. Opinion implies some thought processes and commentary on the matter under discussion.

 

[Pickman's model]

Because since 2016 they have reacted strongly to pretty much any such pronouncement or any indications about which way the wind is blowing, which implies there is something different about today's flounce.

perhaps they're as sick of boris johnson's fartwittery as anyone else.

 

[TopCat]

It's true. We hold all the cards.

No one does. It's a mess.
Thinking there will not be a backlash against Macron is optimistic. All those exports heading to the UK. All that produce.
He wont look like Cock Robin tomorrow.

 

[killer b]

what's happening tomorrow?

 

[TopCat]

No-one's opinion was even sought on leaving the EU. Just a binary yes/no. Opinion implies some thought processes and commentary on the matter under discussion.

What?

 

[TopCat]

what's happening tomorrow?

The rest of the EU leaders will give him a hard time over dinner, possibly undermine Barnier in the media.

 

[Pickman's model]

No-one's opinion was even sought on leaving the EU. Just a binary yes/no. Opinion implies some thought processes and commentary on the matter under discussion.

opinion implies, yes
the way opinion is measured via referenda or elections does not allow for the transition of detail as you'd desire and so many results mean different things to different people

 

[Pickman's model]

The rest of the EU leaders will give him a hard time over dinner, possibly undermine Barnier in the media.

they'll nick his dinner money and kick his shins

 

[philosophical]

irish republicanism has always had a class dimension from wolfe tone to the present, it's not a comfy middle-class philosophy.

you can deny whatever you please. but there was no requirement on any government to quit the eea, to quit the single market, to quit the customs union. no one ever voted not to enter efta.

lest we forget the question and answers available on 23/6/16 were
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no opinion on efta, the eea, the single market, the customs union was sought.

Well it is full circle back to the repeated declaration by May that leave means leave.

 

[TopCat]

they'll nick his dinner money and kick his shins

Merkel will come to the fore, the Irish will go on about being chucked under the bus, the dutch will have the arse.
But at least the EU leaders will be thinking over stuff tonight instead of just having an anti UK smugfest.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well it is full circle back to the repeated declaration by May that leave means leave.

don't talk such bollocks

leave means leave isn't something theresa may ever said

as you'd know if you'd paid more than the most basic attention

leave means leave was a pro-brexit pressure group run by richard tice

so no one has ever repeated this thing may never said

she did say brexit means brexit. but that doesn't mean brexit meant leave, certainly not in the sense you say leave means.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Time to rename the thread?

 

[brogdale]

Time to rename the thread?

 

[Pickman's model]

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That really is one of those Orwellian faces

 

[brogdale]

Time to rename the thread?

Perhaps a poll option of shitshow vrs handcart-to-hell?

 

[Pickman's model]

Perhaps a poll option of shitshow vrs handcart-to-hell?

A shiter shade of bail

 

[philosophical]

don't talk such bollocks

leave means leave isn't something theresa may ever said

as you'd know if you'd paid more than the most basic attention

leave means leave was a pro-brexit pressure group run by richard tice

so no one has ever repeated this thing may never said

she did say brexit means brexit. but that doesn't mean brexit meant leave, certainly not in the sense you say leave means.

My mistake. She said 'brexit means brexit'

 

[Pickman's model]

My mistake. She said 'brexit means brexit'

Yes she said brexit means brexit as I mention in the last paragraph of the post you quote so you don't need to tell me what she said, I already told you

 

[brogdale]

Yes she said brexit means brexit as I mention in the last paragraph of the post you quote so you don't need to tell me what she said, I already told you

I'm seeing your interactions as a leitmotif of the Brexit 'negotiation' process.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm seeing your interactions as a leitmotif of the Brexit 'negotiation' process.

Sadly philosophical is yet to agree stfu means stfu, he seems to think it encouragement to blather on

 

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[philosophical]

Sadly philosophical is yet to agree stfu means stfu, he seems to think it encouragement to blather on

Sadly?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Sadly?

stfu

 

[ska invita]

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thats a cracker

missed this bit first time around

 

[Dogsauce]

Don’t worry lads, they’re looking out for people to make sure they don’t face undue hardship due to Brexit.




I suspect they’ll look at other policies to make sure racehorse owners, offshore financiers etc are all OK. Always looking out for the ordinary man.

 

[editor]

 

[TopCat]

Brexit: Trade talks with the EU are over, says No 10

"No point" in further discussions with the EU unless it changes course, Downing Street says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[philosophical]

Sadly philosophical is yet to agree stfu means stfu, he seems to think it encouragement to blather on

I think shut the fuck up is a term used by authoritarian control freaks.
The sad people.
If brexit means brexit, it leads me back to the evidence of the ballot slip you helpfully pictured. Where one of the key words, maybe the key word, is 'leave'.
If others interpret that in their ways, I interpret that in mine.
Pretty simple.
Now....bring on the left wing authoritarian control freakery as the best method of organising people in the class struggle if that suits.
It is quite a feature on Urban75.

 

[MickiQ]

Don’t worry lads, they’re looking out for people to make sure they don’t face undue hardship due to Brexit.


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I suspect they’ll look at other policies to make sure racehorse owners, offshore financiers etc are all OK. Always looking out for the ordinary man.

I have to confess that this truly something that never even remotely occurred to me