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[littlebabyjesus]

Boris Johnson tells UK: prepare for a no-deal Brexit

Prime minister says EU must change its approach to talks if deal to be reached

www.theguardian.com

Sounded pretty clear to me. I wonder what the French hear?

'That twat Cummings is still writing the script.'

Plus:

'Last time, Johnson collapsed on just about everything. He's weak.'

btw where was 'We'll get a deal like Canada's' during Johnson's pro-Brexit campaigning? Wasn't he guaranteeing a continuation of free trade with the EU? Canada doesn't have free trade with the EU.

 

[TopCat]

Macron's arse must be fluttering a bit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Macron's arse must be fluttering a bit.

Why? UK loses more than France if this fucks up.

 

[TopCat]

Nothing, because that's exactly what he said. Just the meaningless opposite of "If they don't compromise, we'll inevitably cave in".

Reuters is reporting Johnson as saying that the EU has abandoned the idea of a free trade deal and unless the EU makes fundamental changes to its approach, the UK will go for no deal.

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

He has also reportedly said that given that the EU have refused to negotiate seriously he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal and has suggested businesses get ready for such an arrangement.

 

[brogdale]

Johnson can't even generate the expressions/body language to pretend that he thinks Cummings' posturing is serious:

 

[TopCat]

Why? UK loses more than France if this fucks up.

Elections soon. Pissed off coastal communities, getting blamed for intransigence. Etc

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Reuters is reporting Johnson as saying that the EU has abandoned the idea of a free trade deal and unless the EU makes fundamental changes to its approach, the UK will go for no deal.

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

He has also reportedly said that given that the EU have refused to negotiate seriously he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal and has suggested businesses get ready for such an arrangement.

Yeah, Canada's share of the fishing rights around Europe was never a problem. Why pick on the UK over the issue?

 

[Winot]

some sites offering extention past 1st january

Not so easy

Implementing Brexit: securing more time | Institute for Government

Five options for the UK and EU to secure more time after the 31 December deadline.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Elections soon. Pissed off coastal communities, getting blamed for intransigence. Etc

Is that how people will see it in France. Macron's intransigence blocking a deal with that nice Mr Johnson? I don't think so.

 

[Pickman's model]

Reuters is reporting Johnson as saying that the EU has abandoned the idea of a free trade deal and unless the EU makes fundamental changes to its approach, the UK will go for no deal.

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

He has also reportedly said that given that the EU have refused to negotiate seriously he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal and has suggested businesses get ready for such an arrangement.

which is good as much of the uk's fishing is already in foreign hands so whatever johnson agrees (or indeed doesn't agree) will unravel

Brexit trade deal: Who really owns UK fishing quotas?

Reality Check investigates the value of foreign-owned British fishing quotas.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raheem]

Reuters is reporting Johnson as saying that the EU has abandoned the idea of a free trade deal and unless the EU makes fundamental changes to its approach, the UK will go for no deal.

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

He has also reportedly said that given that the EU have refused to negotiate seriously he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal and has suggested businesses get ready for such an arrangement.

Which bit are you surprised by?

 

[Pickman's model]

Elections soon. Pissed off coastal communities, getting blamed for intransigence. Etc

elections in 2022

by which time johnson will have royally fucked off any remaining friends he has on the continent

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If Johnson is foolish enough to allow no deal, he's in for a shock at the political fallout. I would wager he'd be gone within six months. The theory of turning Kent into a giant lorry park is one thing. The reality is going to hit hard.

 

[A380]

elections in 2022

by which time johnson will have been royally fucked off by the Tories who will have a new leader. And so might pass the blame on.

FTFY

 

[A380]

Anyway, looks like the EU have called today.

Now it’s time to see what DePffell actually has in his hand.

I worry it’s going to be jack of Herts, nine of diamonds, two of clubs, the yellow three from UNO and Mrs Bunn the Baker’s wife...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not so easy

Implementing Brexit: securing more time | Institute for Government

Five options for the UK and EU to secure more time after the 31 December deadline.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

It's easy enough to do if both sides want it. It's a political issue rather than a technical one.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway, looks like the EU have called today.

Now it’s time to see what DePffell actually has in his hand.

I worry it’s going to be jack of Herts, nine of diamonds, two of clubs, the yellow three from UNO and Mrs Bunn the Baker’s wife...

 

[philosophical]

The UK won't 'go for' a no deal.
If they want the EU, whose systems, structures and rules it knows full well having helped shape them over 40 years, to change and bend to the will of the UK I think the UK will be disappointed.
The EU has been consistent, the UK can't keep it's word ('limited and specific') so it is very likely the EU will tell the UK to fuck off.
The UK won't be 'going for' anything, it will be managing failure.
The way that cunt Johnson was reading from the Cummings statement today indicates to me he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and what is occouring. He looks like he is asking Gove and the other nutters to take a lead on something he can't handle, whilst he is the mouthpiece.
Oven ready my arse.
Anyway bring on the suffering and disintegration of the Union and the entire country, can't happen quickly enough for me. Brexit voters have said in the past they'd rather eat their own shit than admit they were wrong. Shit for everybody then, at least I have some salt and brown sauce stockpiled.
'We knew what we were voting for, you lost get over it'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway bring on the suffering and disintegration of the Union and the entire country, can't happen quickly enough for me.

oh i think this is one of those cases where you ought to have been careful what you wished for

 

[philosophical]

oh i think this is one of those cases where you ought to have been careful what you wished for

Have been? Or be?
I wished for national suffering previously, and I wish for it more ardently now.
It won't be at all nice, but I can be smug in the knowledge it isn't down to me.
I lost and will focus on getting over it.

 

[editor]

Reuters is reporting Johnson as saying that the EU has abandoned the idea of a free trade deal and unless the EU makes fundamental changes to its approach, the UK will go for no deal.

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

He has also reportedly said that given that the EU have refused to negotiate seriously he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal and has suggested businesses get ready for such an arrangement.

Johnson is full of fucking shit. And here you are defending him.

 

[Pickman's model]

Have been? Or be?
I wished for national suffering previously, and I wish for it more ardently now.
It won't be at all nice, but I can be smug in the knowledge it isn't down to me.
I lost and will focus on getting over it.

yeh it's been four years now and you still haven't got on it let alone over it

 

[2hats]

he has concluded the UK should get ready for an Australia style deal

Prep for an island full of criminals and rampant bigotry?

 

[killer b]

Elections soon. Pissed off coastal communities, getting blamed for intransigence. Etc

lol what. You reckon the pissed off coastal communities of France are begging Macron to cave?

 

[Pickman's model]

Prep for an island full of criminals and rampant bigotry?

it's one of the few subjects on which johnson knows his stuff

 

[sleaterkinney]

Johnson has said UK wanted nothing more than Canada-style deal.

They're actually asking for more, but it seems to have escaped them that it takes two sides to do a deal, and it's up to the EU to offer what it wants.

 

[philosophical]

yeh it's been four years now and you still haven't got on it let alone over it

Why focus on me rather than brexit?
Have you anything to say about the events today?

 

[philosophical]

The President of the European Council Charles Michel has just spoken on my television set and referenced peace in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.
This is not something that has melted away, or disappeared because abusing me for mentioning it means it doesn't count, it is still there as a centrsl feature of brexit.
Even now.
Two different systems with a border in between.
A circle yet to be squared even though 'it's been four years now'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why focus on me rather than brexit?
Have you anything to say about the events today?

if you don't want people to reply to your posts, it's very simple - don't submit them

as for the events of today i think it's rather too early to comment as it is unclear for who's consumption he meant them. i am not persuaded it is people in this this country, as this government and its predecessors have done precious little to do anything meaningful to help lay the foundations for a successful future outside the eu on a no deal basis. and future negotiations are scheduled.

unlike you i hope things don't crash and burn for people in this country, for them to be trapped in a johnsonian hellhole. i hope that however it ends it ends with johnson and his ilk alongside all those others who wished the people of the country ill. which i suppose includes you.

 

[Pickman's model]

The President of the European Council Charles Michel has just spoken on my television set and referenced peace in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.
This is not something that has melted away, or disappeared because abusing me for mentioning it means it doesn't count, it is still there as a centrsl feature of brexit.

i don't think messages from the eu have been a central feature of brexit