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gosub said:
Just got the following off my vintner (easiest way for me to get hold of red vinho verdi before you ask)



Now that the BREXIT rules are clear for us as wine merchants and for the transport companies, we are opening the UK market for orders.

Many of you have asked about the new rules and we share below all the information we have:
  • The products are now VAT excluded in our store and upon arrival it’s subject to the local 20% VAT tax.
  • All non-alcoholic products, the ones in our gourmet area, aren’t subject to any additional duty.
  • The alcoholic products are subject to excise duty and for wines up to 15% alcohol volume it’s 297.57 GBP per hectoliter, 2.23 GBP per bottle of 750ml and twice for a magnum bottle.
  • Sparkling wines have a different excise, it’s 381.15 GBP per hectoliter so it should be 2.86 GBP per bottle of 750ml.
  • A fortified wine such as a Port Wine will take 396.72 GBP per hectoliter so it’s 2.97 GBP per bottle of 750ml
  • As for spirits such as a Brandy or Gin, it will be 28.74 GBP per liter of alcohol volume, so if it’s a 40% alc. volume and a 700ml bottle, it should be 8.05 GBP.
  • Finally, the beers have a low excise. It’s 19.08 GBP per liter of alcohol, so it means that for a 5% alc. volume beer and 330ml bottle, it should be 0.31 GBP.
One of our best sellers to the UK market, the Vidigal Porta 6, before the BREXIT at 3.60 GBP plus shipping, it will be now 3.19 GBP plus 2.23 GBP excise and 20% VAT tax, so a total of 6.50 GBP per bottle.
The shipping cost is the same in terms of transport cost but it takes per order an extra fee of 9.79 GBP for the exportation customs dispatch so it means that if you buy more than one case of 12 bottles, you will save money since it’s a flat fee per order and not per case.
In the end a bottle of Vidigal Porta 6 that in the past was around 4.7 GBP with all taxes and shipping included, will be now between 7 and 8 GBP depending on the number of bottles ordered.
This information is very important because if a client refuses to pay the importation duties, the parcels will return to us and we will have to deduct the return costs to the value paid for the order.
The transit time to the UK is not yet stable because there are some delays in the customs clearance but this means also that some parcels can reach you without the payment of the local duties and taxes.
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Isn't this all extra money for the taxman and the NHS though? And it's only at the expense of people who want to drink fancy wine.
 
Anju said:
I don't know the specifics of those disputes but scope for reducing rights is increased by brexit so no help to the British gas workers or Manchester bus drivers and most likely they will have less rights once the review, led by a minister who has published stuff in support of reducing them, has concluded.

I still don't see how leaving has helped workers, small businesses, retirees, holiday makers or any ordinary person. The most ambitious claims being made by pro brexit people are that things aren't worse, when they clearly are.
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Your idea that somehow the EU protects workers rights needs to be examined a lot more tbh. Look at the French pensions dispute a little while ago and tell me how the EU protects workers right ? ,or the strikes at TAP in Portugal last year for example. All due to the EU's budgetary constraints on EU membership. The dismantling of workers rights ,or attempts to, is common both inside or outside. If the Tories have a go then the unions will have to either fold or resist. Its the 60 seat majority that's the potential fuse. Ask yourself the question how did the Tories end up with a 60 seat majority and a ten percent lead amongst working class voters over Labour?
 
The39thStep said:
Your idea that somehow the EU protects workers rights needs to be examined a lot more tbh. Look at the French pensions dispute a little while ago and tell me how the EU protects workers right ? ,or the strikes at TAP in Portugal last year for example. All due to the EU's budgetary constraints on EU membership. The dismantling of workers rights ,or attempts to, is common both inside or outside. If the Tories have a go then the unions will have to either fold or resist. Its the 60 seat majority that's the potential fuse. Ask yourself the question how did the Tories end up with a 60 seat majority and a ten percent lead amongst working class voters over Labour?
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You're probably talking about something to do with membership of the Euro, rather than the EU. Even though the two things are obviously not unrelated, it's the latter that's relevent to the topic of the thread.
 
Raheem said:
You're probably talking about something to do with membership of the Euro, rather than the EU. Even though the two things are obviously not unrelated, it's the latter that's relevent to the topic of the thread.
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No I'm talking about the EU and the idea that it protect workers rights. You are right the membership of the EU and the adopting the euro are obviously not unrelated . All EU states with the exception of Denmark have to adopt the euro. As you previously said the EU is institutionally stronger without giving any more concessions .
 
teuchter said:
Isn't this all extra money for the taxman and the NHS though? And it's only at the expense of people who want to drink fancy wine.
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Define fancy wine. How does it differ materially from normal wine?

Extra money for the NHS? It's not 'extra money for the NHS'. It's not like for every pound of revenue a certain proportion goes to the NHS, the cops, training soldiers, pensions etc. The government says this year we'll spend X on the NHS, not x% of our income.
 
Pickman's model said:
Define fancy wine. How does it differ materially from normal wine?

Extra money for the NHS? It's not 'extra money for the NHS'. It's not like for every pound of revenue a certain proportion goes to the NHS, the cops, training soldiers, pensions etc. The government says this year we'll spend X on the NHS, not x% of our income.
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Fancy wine, thats the stuff people buy to not drink.
 
teuchter said:
Isn't this all extra money for the taxman and the NHS though? And it's only at the expense of people who want to drink fancy wine.
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I will admit I do like a glass of fancy wine, but even so I don't think there's a risk of wine snobbery in questioning whether a bottle that costs (or used to anyway) £4.70 counts as fancy.

In less sarcastic terms: This is the wine that almost everyone drinks (that drinks wine). This is a huge increase in the cost of a bottle of basic wine that, contrary to your view there, is at the expense of the huge number of people who do not drink fancy wine. The people who drink fancy wine will only be marginally affected. When you're paying £40 for a bottle it going up by £2 or thereabouts means you can now only afford 19 bottles where you could afford 20 before. If you were paying £4.70 you can now afford about 14 bottles for the same price as 20.
 
prunus said:
I will admit I do like a glass of fancy wine, but even so I don't think there's a risk of wine snobbery in questioning whether a bottle that costs (or used to anyway) £4.70 counts as fancy.

In less sarcastic terms: This is the wine that almost everyone drinks (that drinks wine). This is a huge increase in the cost of a bottle of basic wine that, contrary to your view there, is at the expense of the huge number of people who do not drink fancy wine. The people who drink fancy wine will only be marginally affected. When you're paying £40 for a bottle it going up by £2 or thereabouts means you can now only afford 19 bottles where you could afford 20 before. If you were paying £4.70 you can now afford about 14 bottles for the same price as 20.
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I think he might have meant obscure rather than fancy. But it'll be the same for people who buy their plonk in supermarkets once their logistics has rinsed through
 
The39thStep said:
Your idea that somehow the EU protects workers rights needs to be examined a lot more tbh. Look at the French pensions dispute a little while ago and tell me how the EU protects workers right ? ,or the strikes at TAP in Portugal last year for example. All due to the EU's budgetary constraints on EU membership. The dismantling of workers rights ,or attempts to, is common both inside or outside. If the Tories have a go then the unions will have to either fold or resist. Its the 60 seat majority that's the potential fuse. Ask yourself the question how did the Tories end up with a 60 seat majority and a ten percent lead amongst working class voters over Labour?
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Not claiming that the EU is the sole protector of workers just that some additional protection was available when we were members and those look like they will be and were always likely to be attacked by our government. I can't see it as anything other than a step backwards with little chance of any action from labour or trade unions that might redress the balance.

Is anyone actually claiming that the prospect of better pay, conditions, job security, employment equality are closer now? Is there anything being done by unions now to boost membership or inform people of their rights. At least in the EU there's some pro collective bargaining noises being made and plenty of member states with high levels of union membership and even sector wide agreements for a few.

For us it's 9 years of Tory race to the bottom.
 
gosub said:
You can get some very drinkable wine for less than that, just don't bother sticking it in a rack considering it an investment
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Less than £4.70? The likes of Lidl and Aldi do just about drinkable wines sometimes for a bit less than that. Not everyone has access to a Lidl or an Aldi, though. Most offies don't sell a single bottle of anything, drinkable or not, at that price.
 
No one is arguing that the EU was any kind of workers paradise. The only certainty we can pick out of the yeah buttery theme is that things will not improve for the vast majority of workers under the post EU UK environment . But this was never moot.
 
None of this affects wines from South America, Australia, USA etc. though, many of which are very reasonably priced and of far greater quality than Euro-plonk. Don't know about South America, but heard recently how Australian wine has a lower carbon footprint than French wine as it is not shipped in bottles, but rather bottled when it arrives in the UK.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Less than £4.70? The likes of Lidl and Aldi do just about drinkable wines sometimes for a bit less than that. Not everyone has access to a Lidl or an Aldi, though. Most offies don't sell a single bottle of anything, drinkable or not, at that price.
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You should be the last person bitching about the cost of wine, can't you make champagne out of Perrier or some shit
 
prunus said:
I will admit I do like a glass of fancy wine, but even so I don't think there's a risk of wine snobbery in questioning whether a bottle that costs (or used to anyway) £4.70 counts as fancy.

In less sarcastic terms: This is the wine that almost everyone drinks (that drinks wine). This is a huge increase in the cost of a bottle of basic wine that, contrary to your view there, is at the expense of the huge number of people who do not drink fancy wine. The people who drink fancy wine will only be marginally affected. When you're paying £40 for a bottle it going up by £2 or thereabouts means you can now only afford 19 bottles where you could afford 20 before. If you were paying £4.70 you can now afford about 14 bottles for the same price as 20.
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I don't really drink wine at all so I don't care.

I think the price should be put up even more, to fund the NHS even better.

I hope there's going to be a big tax on all that French cheese that smells awful, too. That money can be used to build social housing.
 
Anju said:
Not claiming that the EU is the sole protector of workers just that some additional protection was available when we were members and those look like they will be and were always likely to be attacked by our government. I can't see it as anything other than a step backwards with little chance of any action from labour or trade unions that might redress the balance.

Is anyone actually claiming that the prospect of better pay, conditions, job security, employment equality are closer now? Is there anything being done by unions now to boost membership or inform people of their rights. At least in the EU there's some pro collective bargaining noises being made and plenty of member states with high levels of union membership and even sector wide agreements for a few.

For us it's 9 years of Tory race to the bottom.
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I don’t recall anyone claiming that leaving the EU would automatically lead to the prospect of better pay, conditions, job security or employment security. Nor can I remember to be fair many arguments that staying in the EU would lead to improving them . Covid 19 in particular has shown up the variance of employment rights right across Europe and how fragmented organised labour resistance has become.
The best organised trade unions in Europe have tended to have been in Germany and in France both of whom have done well out of the EU particularly Germany .Unions in the Southern European states in particular have understandably badly damaged by austerity and brutal attempts to ‘modernise ‘ the labour market .
 
Mind you can we really say it doesn't exist? The first hits I get when I search El Dorado are "Buy El Dorado at Amazon online" and "Best prices for El Dorado on Ebay"

:hmm:
 
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