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Artaxerxes
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Whose this from?
Johnny Doe
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A global delivery/logistics company
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not wanting to dismiss the the big tent issues of the potential issues on small sellers on Amazon however the 'potential removal' of workers rights would be less of an issue if Labour and the TUC had pushed for them to be on the statute book as they are in some other European countries .The last labour government was for the opt out , 16 EU countries have opt outs and exemptions. If remain /second referendum hadn't wrecked Labours chances of being elected or at least avoiding the catastrophic defeat at the election then that would have been a possible path. Call me old school but there is a view that workers rights are best defended and advanced by strong trade unions. If you don't subscribe to that and believe that the EU is the vehicle then start campaigning to rejoin .A couple of articles about the potential impact on small sellers using Amazon, eBay and other big online platforms were posted elsewhere last year and here we are, 150,000 small businesses negatively impacted.
British sellers on Amazon and other online marketplaces hit by Brexit charges | ITV News
Many small businesses that sold to the EU are being forced to raise prices because of new tariffs. | ITV National Newswww.itv.com
Still not seen anything from the lex/brex people outlining any positive aspects of brexit, possible paths to future benefits or acknowledgement of the harm done. Instead we have people dismissing the potential removal of workers rights on the grounds that they weren't really being protected by existing laws. We're supposed to believe that not having those laws somehow makes it more likely that those rights will be fought for, secured, implemented and protected now. The most striking similarity between lexit and brexit people is their disconnect from reality.
gosub
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All of the them. Cameron use of the veto was ignored according to the Uks Ambassador to the EU at the time
Anju
Well-Known Member
I just don't see how the removal of rights/protections can be dismissed. If trade unions wouldn't / couldn't do anything to advance workers rights with legislation in place that would help them then it's ridiculous to claim things are going to change for the better now. Some EU countries have strong trade unions and / or decent levels of worker representation in large companies. We're moving away from not towards that and leaving the EU is part of that process.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Anything on the twatter or news about it o can forward on?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I don't either. I haven't. Agreed and also in public sectors. The decline of our trade unions began way before the referendum, most notably under Thatcher and then Blair who were both for the EU.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, in or out of the supra state, the same neoliberal drivers force down pay and T&C, undermining one of the key 'Lexit' nostrums.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The lexit arguments never had a good argument for whose meant to be driving lexit or arguing it’s cause because damn anyone even remotely willing to drive lexit, even Corbyn, is so far away from the levers of power they need binoculars
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. And with the benefit of hindsight, we can see that they have been driven further from those levers by the brexit process of the last four years. It's given us a rabidly r/w (even by their standards) tory govt with a big majority in the commons. And Labour is lurching back to the right in response.
I wouldn't claim to have known that would happen five years ago, but it was always a fear given that the brexiteers in the Tory party were always race-to-the-bottom wankers, and a leave vote was always going to energise that particular part of the populist right.
not-bono-ever
meh
In the social media , I am seeing both pissed sides shouting that Corbyn is actually to blame for the current fuck up. I’m sure you can piece together each sides narrative on this. Is there no end to the evil of Corbyn ?
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
From the perspective of right wing Brexiteers, they had forty years worth of deregulatory momentum behind them before this and most are well placed to avoid the major negative effects of Brexit.
The Lexit campaign was nothing more than wishing loudly on a star. Useful idiots I'm afraid. Hoping to evade EU rules on state aid that won't be forthcoming, calling for the rebuilding of a manufacturing / industrial sector largely wound down by the end of the last century and which is now done much more cheaply elsewhere. Calling for better wages and conditions for workers with EU immigration suppressed, just as the most toxic and criminal right wing gang in parliamentary history are poised to strip those rights away very gleefully.
Mind you the Remain side with its toxic mixture of "there is no alternative" complacency and smugness, and lack of empathy lost the referendum as much as Leave won it. As if folk who've had increasing amounts of nothing since the early nineties were going to care about the better off having to sell their second home in Tuscany and pay more for their bespoke Sicilian olives at the deli.
Brexit is shaping up to be a dreadful experience, the political equivalent of a hangover after fifteen cans of supermarket own brand lager. The thing is, hangovers go away eventually. Not so sure Brexit will anytime soon.
The Lexit campaign was nothing more than wishing loudly on a star. Useful idiots I'm afraid. Hoping to evade EU rules on state aid that won't be forthcoming, calling for the rebuilding of a manufacturing / industrial sector largely wound down by the end of the last century and which is now done much more cheaply elsewhere. Calling for better wages and conditions for workers with EU immigration suppressed, just as the most toxic and criminal right wing gang in parliamentary history are poised to strip those rights away very gleefully.
Mind you the Remain side with its toxic mixture of "there is no alternative" complacency and smugness, and lack of empathy lost the referendum as much as Leave won it. As if folk who've had increasing amounts of nothing since the early nineties were going to care about the better off having to sell their second home in Tuscany and pay more for their bespoke Sicilian olives at the deli.
Brexit is shaping up to be a dreadful experience, the political equivalent of a hangover after fifteen cans of supermarket own brand lager. The thing is, hangovers go away eventually. Not so sure Brexit will anytime soon.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The EU demanded the end of collective bargaining as a condition of membership for some entrants. Up the workers is not their mantra.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Quite, this was only ever about how the superstructure over the neoliberal base was badged.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh it is, when preceded by the word 'fuck'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there are days as yet undreamed of which have already been ruined by the corbyn
gosub
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That was the problem with the last election...."which would not be compatible with the Government's manifesto commitments' you had one party arguing for ITS vison of what delivering on the referendum result vs a plethora of other parties fighting over how they would not.
gosub
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Just got the following off my vintner (easiest way for me to get hold of red vinho verdi before you ask)
Now that the BREXIT rules are clear for us as wine merchants and for the transport companies, we are opening the UK market for orders.
Many of you have asked about the new rules and we share below all the information we have:
The shipping cost is the same in terms of transport cost but it takes per order an extra fee of 9.79 GBP for the exportation customs dispatch so it means that if you buy more than one case of 12 bottles, you will save money since it’s a flat fee per order and not per case.
In the end a bottle of Vidigal Porta 6 that in the past was around 4.7 GBP with all taxes and shipping included, will be now between 7 and 8 GBP depending on the number of bottles ordered.
This information is very important because if a client refuses to pay the importation duties, the parcels will return to us and we will have to deduct the return costs to the value paid for the order.
The transit time to the UK is not yet stable because there are some delays in the customs clearance but this means also that some parcels can reach you without the payment of the local duties and taxes.
Now that the BREXIT rules are clear for us as wine merchants and for the transport companies, we are opening the UK market for orders.
Many of you have asked about the new rules and we share below all the information we have:
- The products are now VAT excluded in our store and upon arrival it’s subject to the local 20% VAT tax.
- All non-alcoholic products, the ones in our gourmet area, aren’t subject to any additional duty.
- The alcoholic products are subject to excise duty and for wines up to 15% alcohol volume it’s 297.57 GBP per hectoliter, 2.23 GBP per bottle of 750ml and twice for a magnum bottle.
- Sparkling wines have a different excise, it’s 381.15 GBP per hectoliter so it should be 2.86 GBP per bottle of 750ml.
- A fortified wine such as a Port Wine will take 396.72 GBP per hectoliter so it’s 2.97 GBP per bottle of 750ml
- As for spirits such as a Brandy or Gin, it will be 28.74 GBP per liter of alcohol volume, so if it’s a 40% alc. volume and a 700ml bottle, it should be 8.05 GBP.
- Finally, the beers have a low excise. It’s 19.08 GBP per liter of alcohol, so it means that for a 5% alc. volume beer and 330ml bottle, it should be 0.31 GBP.
The shipping cost is the same in terms of transport cost but it takes per order an extra fee of 9.79 GBP for the exportation customs dispatch so it means that if you buy more than one case of 12 bottles, you will save money since it’s a flat fee per order and not per case.
In the end a bottle of Vidigal Porta 6 that in the past was around 4.7 GBP with all taxes and shipping included, will be now between 7 and 8 GBP depending on the number of bottles ordered.
This information is very important because if a client refuses to pay the importation duties, the parcels will return to us and we will have to deduct the return costs to the value paid for the order.
The transit time to the UK is not yet stable because there are some delays in the customs clearance but this means also that some parcels can reach you without the payment of the local duties and taxes.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Whats the name of the vintner?
gosub
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Portugal Vineyards. v good
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Ta, found a copy of the email on twatter so I can spread it about.
Anju
Well-Known Member
That may be correct but we're talking about brexit and in that context workers will be worse off if/when the government take away or weaken the rights they have now.
mauvais
on reddit or something
FFS.
Anju
Well-Known Member
The ability to lower food standards on the quiet.
www.theguardian.com
Of course these are all minor issues. Massive acceleration of NHS privatisation is probably being hampered by covid but I'm sure they'll get that sorted soon and then we can all relax and stop worrying about how fucked we are because it will have passed the point at which it's possible to quantify.
UK ministers gain power to allow lower-standard food imports
Trade bill vote rejects Lords amendment giving MPs greater scrutiny of trade deals
Of course these are all minor issues. Massive acceleration of NHS privatisation is probably being hampered by covid but I'm sure they'll get that sorted soon and then we can all relax and stop worrying about how fucked we are because it will have passed the point at which it's possible to quantify.
gosub
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The ability to lower food standards on the quiet.
UK ministers gain power to allow lower-standard food imports
Trade bill vote rejects Lords amendment giving MPs greater scrutiny of trade deals
Of course these are all minor issues. Massive acceleration of NHS privatisation is probably being hampered by covid but I'm sure they'll get that sorted soon and then we can all relax and stop worrying about how fucked we are because it will have passed the point at which it's possible to quantify.
Re Article. How is this 'Take Back Control?' this whole Brexit, what the fuck is having any input the direction of travel? Who is being taken into account?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes , if any govt takes away or weaken rights whether it be post Brexit or pre Brexit workers will be worse off . You might have noticed attempts at this pre Brexit , in fact you might have noticed it when no one had heard of Brexit .In fact it happens in the EU as well. Currently in the U.K. there’s a British Gas strike where workers are effectively being fired and rehired , same with Manchester Buses. Where’s their rights ?
gosub
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BT is balloting at the moment too
Anju
Well-Known Member
I don't know the specifics of those disputes but scope for reducing rights is increased by brexit so no help to the British gas workers or Manchester bus drivers and most likely they will have less rights once the review, led by a minister who has published stuff in support of reducing them, has concluded.
I still don't see how leaving has helped workers, small businesses, retirees, holiday makers or any ordinary person. The most ambitious claims being made by pro brexit people are that things aren't worse, when they clearly are.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
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