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[The39thStep]

Is there anti uk sentiment in france at the moment?

Quite the opposite in Portugal

Portugal intent on ‘rolling out red carpet’ to Brits after Brexit no matter what EU Covid rules imply - Portugal Resident

Portugal intent on ‘rolling out red carpet’ to Brits after Brexit no matter what EU rules imply.

www.portugalresident.com

 

[Roadkill]

Quite the opposite in Portugal

Portugal intent on ‘rolling out red carpet’ to Brits after Brexit no matter what EU Covid rules imply - Portugal Resident

Portugal intent on ‘rolling out red carpet’ to Brits after Brexit no matter what EU rules imply.

www.portugalresident.com

Tbf Portugal won't have to deal with probable port delays or restrain its fishermen from playing dodgems with British fishing boats.

 

[Pickman's model]

Strikes me that they're burgling this through under the cover of the pandemic. I think the whole country would be up in arms, demos on the streets, etc, were it not for covid.

the master criminal always makes one fatal error and the government's is discussing this with the media and telling industry to prepare for no deal

 

[The39thStep]

Tbf Portugal won't have to deal with probable port delays or restrain its fishermen from playing dodgems with British fishing boats.

Delays are part of Portuguese culture tbh

 

[The39thStep]

I see the Krauts are at it

 

[Pickman's model]

I see the Krauts are at it

Nice to see the German sense of humour

 

[weltweit]

So, it looks like we are leaving on WTO terms, this begs the question, what will Nissan do now?

 

[Pickman's model]

So, it looks like we are leaving on WTO terms, this begs the question, what will Nissan do now?

Drive off into the sunset

 

[The39thStep]

Nice to see the German sense of humour

Its what the EU is all about imo

 

[brogdale]

Is there anti uk sentiment in france at the moment?

Can't imagine I'd be top chuffed with the Johnson regime if I lived in Pas de Calais, tbh.

 

[Roadkill]

So, it looks like we are leaving on WTO terms, this begs the question, what will Nissan do now?

Close, along with most other large car plants. Honda's already going (ostensibly not Brexit-related, but if you believe that you'll believe anything), Toyota have said that Burnaston will be in serious trouble unless frictionless trade is retained, and the same almost certainly goes for BMW at Cowley and at least one of the GM plants. That sort of manufacturing just isn't going to be viable in a world of tariffs and customs queues.

 

[brogdale]

Close, along with most other large car plants. Honda's already going (ostensibly not Brexit-related, but if you believe that you'll believe anything), Toyota have said that Burnaston will be in serious trouble unless frictionless trade is retained, and the same almost certainly goes for BMW at Cowley and at least one of the GM plants. That sort of manufacturing just isn't going to be viable in a world of tariffs and customs queues.

We can all drive a Morgan, then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can't imagine I'd be top chuffed with the Johnson regime if I lived in Pas de Calais, tbh.

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I can't think of anywhere I might live and have a better opinion of him

But if he was in the south Atlantic I'd be happier

 

[mauvais]

Strikes me that they're burgling this through under the cover of the pandemic. I think the whole country would be up in arms, demos on the streets, etc, were it not for covid.

The people don't give a fuck. I do wonder though if years of destroying collectivism and society in favour of consumerist individualism might eventually pay out a kind of ironic dividend in that when the latter is even slightly disrupted, maybe that's when it finally kicks off. But shithole Britain is real and I doubt it. I don't know, there's a lot of wildcards. For one, the people that support the fucking thing don't actually give a fuck about the device itself, they just want something that isn't the status quo, but I'm pretty sure they don't ultimately want to fly the flag for 'much worse' either.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not everything surely? Stuff produced and sold here will not necessarily go up in price?
Tariffs on IKEA furniture and Mercedes cars and other eu imports. All the stuff we get from china will keep flowing.

We don’t make or grow enough here. I don’t think the shops ever think twice about whacking up prices. Aside from on milk which we already fuck over farmers for cheap stuff.

Odds are good we’ll get quite a lot of crap from the US eventually.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The UK have said they wont be ramping up checks at the ports so unless the roads in France are blocked, we still get our Lidl.

Not possible, under WTO rules if you let one country in without a tariff the others can sue.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not possible, under WTO rules if you let one country in without a tariff the others can sue.

From what I understand the WTO rules along with IMF and world bank are primarily just another way to fuck over third world countries.

 

[Raheem]

From what I understand the WTO rules along with IMF and world bank are primarily just another way to fuck over third world countries.

So we have nothing to worry about.

 

[Raheem]

How is this scenario worse for the EU than the current one?

1. Let the UK leave with no deal, no extension. Chaos everywhere, planes grounded, needless deaths from medicine shortages (assuming all the doomsday scenarios come true)
2. Give the UK an extension and time to sort its shit out. The UK spends two years preparing (lol), and then leaves with no deal.

You're presenting it as if there are only two possible outcomes. The EU wants the UK to sign the deal, and estimates that there is no real choice. But an extension, if offered, would provide a real choice.

 

[TopCat]

I cant see the Spanish, Greeks or Portugese supporting EU measures that would reduce UK tourism.

 

[ska invita]

I see the Krauts are at it

do you really think of german people as "krauts"?

 

[Roadkill]

I cant see the Spanish, Greeks or Portugese supporting EU measures that would reduce UK tourism.

But, they might argue, the UK has taken those measures for itself and there's nothing they can do about it. That's what most European governments think, and there's no serious groundswell of opinion the other way. There's still euroscepticism on the mainland, but after watching Britain stagger out and crash into every obstacle, like a drunk at chucking-out time, no-one's seriously talking about leaving. One of the many ironies of Brexit is that it's made a break-up of the hated supra-state much less likely.

 

[TopCat]

But, they might argue, the UK has taken those measures for itself and there's nothing they can do about it. That's what most European governments think, and there's no serious groundswell of opinion the other way. There's still euroscepticism on the mainland, but after watching Britain stagger out and crash into every obstacle, like a drunk at chucking-out time, no-one's seriously talking about leaving. One of the many ironies of Brexit is that it's made a break-up of the hated supra-state much less likely.

So you think the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Greeks will swallow the huge drop in tourist income in order to show unity with their EU colleagues?
I cant see the Irish sticking tight to the common line for long either.

 

[Roadkill]

So you think the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Greeks will swallow the huge drop in tourist income in order to show unity with their EU colleagues?
I cant see the Irish sticking tight to the common line for long either.

Yes. There's precisely no sign of anything else happening.

 

[Raheem]

So you think the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Greeks will swallow the huge drop in tourist income in order to show unity with their EU colleagues?

I don't think they're being asked to, are they? At the moment, we're off season and in the middle of a pandemic, so keeping the Brits out is only going to make a marginal difference.

 

[brogdale]

No UK tourists will be going to EU destinations after 01/01/21 for the foreseeable...

 

[mauvais]

So you think the Spanish, the Portuguese and the Greeks will swallow the huge drop in tourist income in order to show unity with their EU colleagues?
I cant see the Irish sticking tight to the common line for long either.

What's Ireland got to do with it?

 

[TopCat]

What's Ireland got to do with it?

They have arguably the most to lose out of the EU states.

 

[mauvais]

They have arguably the most to lose.

From what?

 

[TopCat]

From what?

No deal.