butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Craigy boy in for woakes.
The Ashes 2019
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Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Bit of a slap for Sam Curran, no? He's been good whenever called upon and included as 12th man a lot recently - definitely seemed like "next in line".
That said, I like Overton as a bowler. How's his batting?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He can whack a quick 30 ( against domestic bowlers), doesn't hang around. Probably can't.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He also got Smith out in Aus last ashes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Curran was a bit of a slap for Overton after the last ashes.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Ta. There's too much emphasis on the batting ability of bowlers imo (although I'm a hypocrite in that respect because who doesn't love a good all-rounder?) but it's been a while since we've had a proper tail starting at 8 - when was the last time none of Woakes, Moeen or Curran were there?
Archer at 8, Overton, Broad and Leach presumably.
(ETA BBC says Overton 8, Archer 9)
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Also true. Am I misremembering (is that even a word?) or did Overton miss a match with an injury, where Curran did well? In which case I suppose the logic would be "the guy in possession of the shirt".
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
prefer Overton to Curran, especially at Old Trafford. Bit rough on Woakes, but Root seems to have lost confidence in him, which is pretty fatal for a bowler.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Kind of a 2+2 tail. Two lower-order hitters and two who will necessitate strike-farming by the other batsman. Don't mind that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, cracked rib in aus. Seems to be a somerset specialty - See Leach braking his thumb last year and never quite regaining his spot until recently.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
So that’s a nailed on century for Head then.
Nah, I’m in agreement. Happy to see Khawaja left out, and surprised too. I also think Starc should have been there from the start, so that’s probably 1-95 for him too.
But it’s Manchester. It’ll rain won’t it? Not that either team needs more than three days.
Nah, I’m in agreement. Happy to see Khawaja left out, and surprised too. I also think Starc should have been there from the start, so that’s probably 1-95 for him too.
But it’s Manchester. It’ll rain won’t it? Not that either team needs more than three days.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
England are fucked mind.
Wasn't hasn't helped Woakes' cause either has been his batting. I know he's in as a bowler but he is a handy man to have lower down the order yet this series he's just not been there. Actually in the WC it wasn't right either.
That shot he played in the run chase at Headingly was horrible. Driving on the up when they had obviously set the field for it. All was needed was to hang around with Stokes and surely he was better equipped to do that than Leach?
That shot he played in the run chase at Headingly was horrible. Driving on the up when they had obviously set the field for it. All was needed was to hang around with Stokes and surely he was better equipped to do that than Leach?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nah. First was a boring draw, second was so one-sided it didn't even reach day 5.
Forecast for Friday looks pretty grim but apart from that should be OK. I'm really surprised they are sticking with Wade and Head, seems as much about batting Labuschagne at 3 as anything else. Presumably they feel if they can get a platform Head and Wade will be able to kick on, we''ll see.
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ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
The Ashes, 2019 Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com
Woakes scored 112 runs in 5 innings.
Roy and Buttler scored 112 runs between them in a combined 12 innings.
Woakes got dropped because his bowling was not good enough.
You can slaughtered for 67 runs, after getting pinged out by Ireland for something like 85 but its the bowling that needs to change.
Good luck winning the urn back in 2 years time.
Woakes scored 112 runs in 5 innings.
Roy and Buttler scored 112 runs between them in a combined 12 innings.
Woakes got dropped because his bowling was not good enough.
You can slaughtered for 67 runs, after getting pinged out by Ireland for something like 85 but its the bowling that needs to change.
Good luck winning the urn back in 2 years time.
Pink Panther
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Woakes' role was third seamer. His batting is secondary to that, he just happens to be a much better batsman than the other three specialist bowlers. If the selectors feel another bowler (who showed promise in a couple of previous Tests overseas and has been in good county form this year) offers a better option it's fair enough to make the change.
Whether Roy and/or Buttler should also be replaced is a separate issue. The selectors might say no one has made a compelling case, but even if they don't look outside the named squad I'd argue there's a case for picking Curran to bat at 7 (or Woakes for that matter) instead of Buttler. Whether or not his bowling plays a part isn't especially relevant. His batting hasn't blossomed yet, but he's a very talented batsman of considerable potential and he could hardly do much worse.
Curran's runs against India last summer were pretty vital. I'd agree that there is a case for him to be picked over Butler (given Butler's current form). Problem is as it has been forever with England they simply can't trust the top order to deliver so they don't want to risk dropping a batsman for a bowler, albeit one who bats a bit as well.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
England don't need six bowlers though, not if it's just to bring in a fifth seamer. If you're dropping Buttler can it be for someone who's never scored a 1st class hundred? I don't think so. Tbh even given his recent form Buttler has to be a better bet than Curran for runs. And Buttler has some credit in the bank from last summer. Unlike say Roy.
Woakes is a little unfortunate here but I do understand the decision. And I agree generally with benaud's maxim that a test all rounder needs to be test class in one of the disciplines. Not convinced Curran passes that test.
Woakes is a little unfortunate here but I do understand the decision. And I agree generally with benaud's maxim that a test all rounder needs to be test class in one of the disciplines. Not convinced Curran passes that test.
Yeah, Woakes is unlucky. He just looks a little jaded as do all the WC winners except Stokes and Archer. I wonder if he's nursing an injury in the background.
I do feel this was an opportunity to try something different with the batting. Oz have been tinkering away and I don't see why we can't.
Despite it being 1-1 and you'd probably say that Lords was a winning draw for England I don't have much faith that we will win the Ashes. I just don't see this batting line consistently getting the runs required.
I do feel this was an opportunity to try something different with the batting. Oz have been tinkering away and I don't see why we can't.
Despite it being 1-1 and you'd probably say that Lords was a winning draw for England I don't have much faith that we will win the Ashes. I just don't see this batting line consistently getting the runs required.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep I think it's still totally up in the air. It's as you were really - two excellent bowling units and two shaky as fuck batting 'units', as we all thought it would be. As long as the weather holds up, I'm expecting two results, so that gives England a 25 % chance of winning the Ashes back.
Woakes is unlucky cos, despite his iffy form, he wasn't the problem. And all the players who were the problem are still there. I hope that isn't the triumph of hope over experience.
Woakes is unlucky cos, despite his iffy form, he wasn't the problem. And all the players who were the problem are still there. I hope that isn't the triumph of hope over experience.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Would you believe it!
