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It was an elbow. And the idea that these people aren't college types is wrong.

You're right, some are. But they tend to be the ones who didn't or wouldn't have chosen a liberal arts school, or degree, and they imagine that these left-wing ideas are being force-fed to students rather than something they gravitated to on their own.
 
( Just seen this was already posted)

( hadn't seen it with audio on before , the fact he's explaining his Pepe badge as he gets lumped is fun )
 
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I think you're interpreting that incorrectly. I take it to mean that white lives are way too valued compared to other races. It's worded oddly, though.

No, I think I am interpreting the wording entirely correctly and that the 'odd wording' is odd because you can only achieve the obvious meaning (a dehumanisation of white people) that they are trying to arrive at by modifying the phrase 'White Lives Matter Too'.

The idea that white lives matter too much, as opposed to black lives not mattering enough, is something that is increasingly common in progressive neoliberal discourse in the US. There is a real idea that a lot of people have that white people should face the same sort of repression and violence as black people, and that is the priority as opposed to the idea that black people should be treated decently. You can see that for example in some of the attitudes towards NSA surveillance from US neoliberals who defended mass surveillance on the basis that black activists faced surveillance from COINTELPRO in the past, so now it is entirely fair and just that everyone faces surveillance and arguing otherwise is racist. The demand isn't to end the dehumanisation of black people, it's to dehumanise all of us.

It is an incredible thing to put on a sign and then wave around in a country in which the life expectancy of poor whites has actually gone into reverse, this is especially so in many areas which voted for Trump. The person in the video waving it is white, what they are doing is the opposite of building solidarity or anything that wouldn't repulse ordinary people regardless of race. They are doing self-flagellating politics of self expression.
 
No, I think I am interpreting the wording entirely correctly and that the 'odd wording' is odd because you can only achieve the obvious meaning (a dehumanisation of white people) that they are trying to arrive at by modifying the phrase 'White Lives Matter Too'.

The idea that white lives matter too much, as opposed to black lives not mattering enough, is something that is increasingly common in progressive neoliberal discourse in the US. There is a real idea that a lot of people have that white people should face the same sort of repression and violence as black people, and that is the priority as opposed to the idea that black people should be treated decently. You can see that for example in some of the attitudes towards NSA surveillance from US neoliberals who defended mass surveillance on the basis that black activists faced surveillance from COINTELPRO in the past, so now it is entirely fair and just that everyone faces surveillance and arguing otherwise is racist. The demand isn't to end the dehumanisation of black people, it's to dehumanise all of us.

It is an incredible thing to put on a sign and then wave around in a country in which the life expectancy of poor whites has actually gone into reverse, this is especially so in many areas which voted for Trump. The person in the video waving it is white, what they are doing is the opposite of building solidarity or anything that wouldn't repulse ordinary people regardless of race. They are doing self-flagellating politics of self expression.

Really? So people can't point out injustice towards other people without appearing to slander their own people?

I'm a white American and I don't find this offensive. Maybe it has something to do with subtleties in language, vernacular, etc.
 
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I do see what you're saying, and how you're interpreting it. However, being a US citizen my entire life and therefore very accustomed to our speech patterns, I really don't think it means what you think it does.

If it did, it would read something like "White Lives Matter More" or "White Lives Matter A Lot" or simply, "White Lives Matter"

We're not as subtle as Brits with wording. If it were trying to convey what you think it is, it would constitute a complete failure since nobody would read it that way here.

Google "white lives matter too much" and see some of the responses. You are wrong.
 
Google "white lives matter too much" and see some of the responses. You are wrong.

Firstly, I wrote that without clearly understanding your point. I thought I did, but I didn't. It's 5 am here and I haven't slept so forgive me.

I did also look up "White Lives Matter too much" just now and just got a bunch of links to the video of Spencer being punched, and some dubious explanations from sites I'm unsure of the credibility of.

Sorry, but I'll have to continue this conversation another time. I don't really think this is a huge issue right now with extreme forms of racism actually being threats to be dealt with here.
 
This is a bunch of crap, which I've heard repeated ad nauseum.

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So it's not just me that thinks it then .

I think the time is approaching were this type of " progressive "infantilism may well start face a rigorous intellectual challenge from the left . Because its become a cancer that has spread all over the place and done very real harm . Identity politics on the left has played a role in polarising society and alienating the already badly alienated . Not the only factor by any means but it's a real one .
 
You're right, some are. But they tend to be the ones who didn't or wouldn't have chosen a liberal arts school, or degree, and they imagine that these left-wing ideas are being force-fed to students rather than something they gravitated to on their own.

Engineering, usually, for some reason. Not to besmirch engineering, a fine vocation, many very clever people and an integral field of study. But there's something about studying Engineering that seems to go wrong a lot as far as other aspects of life are concerened.
 
You're right, some are. But they tend to be the ones who didn't or wouldn't have chosen a liberal arts school, or degree, and they imagine that these left-wing ideas are being force-fed to students rather than something they gravitated to on their own.
They're products of private liberal arts college. This Spencer went to Duke. They're just the typical person these places produce flipped - but there is background of course, Spencers elite Texas one for example. But they really really are the product of these places rather than seminaries. The meeting of those lazy backgrounds with private liberal arts colleges is key to this. It's why that milos bloke is doing talks to exactly these colleges.
 
Engineering, usually, for some reason. Not to besmirch engineering, a fine vocation, many very clever people and an integral field of study. But there's something about studying Engineering that seems to go wrong a lot as far as other aspects of life are concerened.
Or computers (programmers are often called "engineers" in the US come to think of it). Usually coming with a sense of superiority over/inferiority complex about "liberal arts", and a dumb mechanistic worldview, hence also often associating with libertarians and new atheists. I say this as a computing graduate.
 
They're products of private liberal arts college. This Spencer went to Duke. They're just the typical person these places produce flipped - but there is background of course, Spencers elite Texas one for example. But they really really are the product of these places rather than seminaries. The meeting of those lazy backgrounds with private liberal arts colleges is key to this. It's what that milos bloke is doing talks to exactly these colleges.
The leaders yes. The online supporter mob not so much.
 
Or computers (programmers are often called "engineers" in the US come to think of it). Usually coming with a sense of superiority over/inferiority complex about "liberal arts", and a dumb mechanistic worldview, hence also often associating with libertarians and new atheists. I say this as a computing graduate.

Perhaps it's something to do with seeing the world as a set of well-defined problem-blocks in a male dominated context. A sort of mechano-brained/lego-headed approach composed of gears and primary colours. There are a lot of gaps where subtlety and context can be lost. The liberal-arts is all about subtlety and context aren't they? I dunno, I studied computing.
 
I really can't see much difference between them. They way they express themselves and the concepts they use are all pretty much the same.
The supporters will pick up on the leaders rhetoric but the stuff I've seen that they come up with by themselves is very much the "revenge of the nerds" bit IME. I've seen lots say that the only worthwhile education is STEM for instance. So you get this odd situation where they say that and then quote someone like Milo who has been openly hostile to people like them in the past.
 
The supporters will pick up on the leaders rhetoric but the stuff I've seen that they come up with by themselves is very much the "revenge of the nerds" bit IME. I've seen lots say that the only worthwhile education is STEM for instance. So you get this odd situation where they say that and then quote someone like Milo who has been openly hostile to people like them in the past.

IME right-wingers from a humanities background saying the only worthwhile education is STEM is not that uncommon.
 
IME right-wingers from a humanities background saying the only worthwhile education is STEM is not that uncommon.
On the ground, I've never seen any. Above a certain point, sure, it's part of their thing, playing on years of anti-intellectual propaganda.

eta: actually you know what, the bit here wasn't really right, will explain better
 
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Perhaps it's something to do with seeing the world as a set of well-defined problem-blocks in a male dominated context. A sort of mechano-brained/lego-headed approach composed of gears and primary colours. There are a lot of gaps where subtlety and context can be lost. The liberal-arts is all about subtlety and context aren't they? I dunno, I studied computing.

I think it's simpler than that - a lot of computing types got paid a lot of money a few years back and started whining about tax, like just about every other rich asshole. In the UK there was also a tax loophole that let individuals set themselves up as companies and pay themselves dividends rather than wages, which were only taxed at 10% or something like that, and when the government moved in to (rightly) close this loophole there was a huge amount of boiled piss.

Tech sites (such as theregister) were the first place I came across significant amount of right-wing and libertarian views in the comments on articles, a long time before the advent of social media.
 
Perhaps it's something to do with seeing the world as a set of well-defined problem-blocks in a male dominated context. A sort of mechano-brained/lego-headed approach composed of gears and primary colours. There are a lot of gaps where subtlety and context can be lost. The liberal-arts is all about subtlety and context aren't they? I dunno, I studied computing.

I know I'm going to get in trouble for this, but....

I came out of both liberal arts and the computer world. I went to art school but ended up working with computers to survive. What I see as a female is that when you put too many men in one place without the moderating influence of women, some of them go all Lord of the Flies and turn into social Darwinists.

Yes, I know that's sexist. Sorry.

It's entirely possible that Dogsauce is right and its entirely due to money. A lot of things come down to that simple equation.

(You also get odd issues when you put too many women together in a group. And yes, that's sexist too.)
 
I get the sense that the alt right are a curious psychological mix of alpha-narcissist leaders and bitter loser followers.

They are certainly the biggest snowflakes I see around. They are triggered by just about anything. Mention feminism and they absolutely shit themselves.

Have you noticed the word "cuck" popping up? I've seen it a half dozen times in the last day or two. I had to look it up.
 
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