The Alt-Right

[inva]

Not sure they have the same 'tone' - Alt right lot seem to be more full of themselves, pseudo intellectuals thinking they have some kind of entitlement because they're so smart, and that they're victims if society (or women) deny them this. BF seem kind of clumsier, more anti-intellectual than pseudo-intellectual. There will be a class thing in there somewhere.

I agree that Britain First don't seem like they're alt right. but for example (though I don't know anything about him myself) would it be right to say that Richard Spencer is a neo Nazi who is alt right because of his tone/pseudo intellectualism? Except hasn't there been far right and fascist (pseudo)intellectuals for as long as it has been around? And hasn't it often throughout its history drawn on and emphasised feelings of being a victim? Or are there different reasons we'd apply as to why Spencer is alt right?

I don't know when the term originally got invented, I think I first noticed it during the gamergate stuff. So I've associated it with a split in internet geek liberalism between the progressive liberals and the right wing liberals. But it didn't really seem to mean anything much other than that they spent a lot of time on the internet and it revolved around pop culture stuff and involved 4channers and memes and all that so had a trendy edginess in the eyes of journalists and other people commenting on it. It now seems like it gets applied more widely, I'm just not sure how useful a label it really is.

 

[teqniq]

 

[butchersapron]

What the piece?

 

[teqniq]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Article on the relationship between the alt right and the men's rights movement:

The primary difference between the men’s-rights movement and the alt-right is that the former is largely anti-political. “They tend to dismiss Republicans and Democrats alike as ‘gynocentric’ parties, or parties that are at their root dominated by women’s needs,” Futrelle said. If, like me, you had to force down laughter at the idea of Republicans being dominated by women’s needs, Futrelle explains: “Their argument is that because women are the majority of the electorate, all politicians — male and female — have to pander to them in order to win.” No MRA would vote for Hillary Clinton, he said, and although some consider themselves Libertarians, there was little talk on online forums of Gary Johnson. If they voted, they voted for Trump.

But this same aversion to politics is why the men’s-rights movement is losing momentum while its racist cousin — the alt-right — gains it. Many of the movement’s actors largely sidelined themselves during Gamergate because Gamergate’s leaders didn’t align with their idea of what “men” should be — “They looked at guys playing video games as a bunch of pussies, so they didn’t really get pulled into that,” Futrelle said. Then, when Trump began to gain steam, most were slow to jump on the bandwagon.

Men’s-Rights Activists Are Flocking to the Alt-Right

 

[dylanredefined]

Ah, I encountered a racist who claimed to be a medieval knight on Facebook last night. I thought he was just off his meds, had no idea it's a thing

They also have an interest in Vikings and Odin. Which I suppose makes a change than the Waffen SS (who were brave noble soldiers who didn't commit
any war crimes)

 

[butchersapron]

They also have an interest in Vikings and Odin. Which I suppose makes a change than the Waffen SS (who were brave noble soldiers who didn't commit
any war crimes)

That interest is just different aspects of the exact same thing.

 

[DotCommunist]

have we had this?
http://jezebel.com/putting-the-neo-...medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=wednesdayAM

 

[camouflage]

have we had this?
http://jezebel.com/putting-the-neo-...medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=wednesdayAM

The Alt-Right... given a pill by a black man, but had a bad experience, and been racist ever since.


Next time stick to cannabis, or try the blue one, whatever, I don't care.

 

[butchersapron]

A read of this old thread maybe.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I would say Stefan Molyneux is alt right

Stefan Molyneux - Wikipedia

Isn't he the one who runs a kind of right libertarian cult where he urges people to leave their families scientology style because the family is against the individual or something?

 

[mather]

Isn't he the one who runs a kind of right libertarian cult where he urges people to leave their families scientology style because the family is against the individual or something?

Yes.

And yes, that is classic cult behaviour.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

A white-supremacist call to action to “troll” Jewish people in Whitefish, Montana — home of white nationalist Richard Spencer’s mother — is gaining support on social media and putting lives in danger.

On Friday, Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer published an inflammatory article about Jews “targeting Richard Spencer’s mother,” Sherry Spencer, claiming that her real estate business is failing because of public backlash against her son, a white supremacist and prominent member of the National Policy Institute (NPI) who coined the term “alt-right.”

Anglin falsely claimed that Jewish people in Montana are “harassing” Sherry, attempting to extort money from her, and forcing her to sell a building she owns — all because they disagree with her son. He cites a Daily Mail article in which Sherry complains that her sons’ views are damaging her business. The article does not mention any particular religion. But Anglin called on his readers to harass Jews, describing them as a “vicious, evil race of hate-filled psychopaths” and “a people without shame.”

White nationalists target Jews in small Montana town

 

[Fingers]

The EDL set up a Knights Templar Division but as with everything the EDL does, it went tits up after their leader turned out to be a raving paedo.

It got disbanded shortly after EDL News outed him. Is there anything the EDL has done that has not got infiltrated by paedos?

EDL’s secret Templar Church group run by child rapist | EDL News

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I've been reading a bit about the "Colour revolutions" and I'm starting to wonder if some characteristics of the alt-right were maybe inspired by youth movements like Otpor - Wikipedia! or rather, whether both Otpor! et al and the alt-right were engineered according to the same body of technique, initially developed for initiating neoliberal-friendly regime change.

1) Build a broad movement / brand around some simple common messages like 'we hate and wish to overthrow X', 'look how terrible/corrupt/traitorious/incompetent X is etc.

2) Media strategy based on interplay between promoting on-message media outrage events and staging social media facilitated mass responses to them.

3) Troll the fuck out of the opposition and mock their responses to build movement momentum while demoralising and causing infighting within the opposing forces (state security in most 'color revolution' cases and the liberal media in the the US)

4) Use state of the art market research / PR techniques to target the above and use your social media network and friendly media channels to drive that messaging.

 

[Casually Red]

I've been reading a bit about the "Colour revolutions" and I'm starting to wonder if some characteristics of the alt-right were maybe inspired by youth movements like Otpor - Wikipedia!

1) Build a broad movement / brand around some simple common messages like 'we hate and wish to overthrow X', 'look how terrible/corrupt/traitorious/incompetent X is etc.

2) Media strategy based on interplay between staging or promoting on-message media outrage events and social media facilitated mass responses to them.

3) Troll the fuck out of the opposition and mock their responses to build movement momentum while lowering morale and causing infighting within the opposing forces (state security in most 'color revolution' cases and the liberal media in the the US)

4) Use state of the art market research / PR techniques to target the above and use your social media network and friendly media channels to drive that messaging.

You can just hire Otpor..they're officially a private advisory outfit for hire these days . A bunch of mercenaries who started out supporting NATO bombing their own country will work for anyone . Not like they've any principles .

 

[teqniq]

Armed march against Jews will go ahead, says racist organiser

 

[camouflage]

I've been reading a bit about the "Colour revolutions" and I'm starting to wonder if some characteristics of the alt-right were maybe inspired by youth movements like Otpor - Wikipedia! or rather, whether both Otpor! et al and the alt-right were engineered according to the same body of technique, initially developed for initiating neoliberal-friendly regime change.

1) Build a broad movement / brand around some simple common messages like 'we hate and wish to overthrow X', 'look how terrible/corrupt/traitorious/incompetent X is etc.

2) Media strategy based on interplay between promoting on-message media outrage events and staging social media facilitated mass responses to them.

3) Troll the fuck out of the opposition and mock their responses to build movement momentum while demoralising and causing infighting within the opposing forces (state security in most 'color revolution' cases and the liberal media in the the US)

4) Use state of the art market research / PR techniques to target the above and use your social media network and friendly media channels to drive that messaging.

You're talking about the methods developed by Prof Gene Sharp.

http://judicial-discipline-reform.org/docs/Prof_Gene_Sharp_Politics_Nonviolent_Action.pdf

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, not exactly.

What I think I'm seeing looks more like the alt-right and their backers adopting and refactoring some of the methods that evolved when the 'colour revolutions' put into practice ideas their organisers and trainers got from people like Sharp.

As far as I know 'troll the fuck out of the regime and its supporters on social media' to gain momentum and demoralise opponents isn't in Sharps playbook as such, but kind of emerged when some of those ideas were translated into current conditions.

Nor as far as I'm aware was the use made of state of the art market research and PR techniques part of Sharps thinking, although it obviously combines with it very well.

 

[camouflage]

Well, not exactly.

What I think I'm seeing looks more like the alt-right and their backers adopting and refactoring some of the methods that evolved when the 'colour revolutions' put into practice ideas their organisers and trainers got from people like Sharp.

As far as I know 'troll the fuck out of the regime and its supporters on social media' to gain momentum and demoralise opponents isn't in Sharps playbook as such, but kind of emerged when some of those ideas were translated into current conditions.

Nor as far as I'm aware was the use made of state of the art market research and PR techniques part of Sharps thinking, although it obviously combines with it very well.

Yep, certainly there's not the same structures around the alt-right (I doubt they have the same neocon architects in Washington or that sort of thing, or a cooperating mainstream media etc) although we see some of the same methods, perhaps inevitably now we're in the Twitter Age. Like how Occupy Wallstreet failed really, looked the same but not the same and therefore doomed.

The Alt-Right is very zeitgeist, in ten years time we'll think of that whole movement as very twenty-teen, they're already long-knifing eachother imo according to this: Trump fans' 'Deploraball' party shows rift in alt-right movement. Not that I rate Reuters but the article gels with my expectation that people like that (by definition) lack the social capacity needed to build and maintain the kind of solidarity that can endure and grow across the many different kinds of people that make a society. Cliquey, war-like, narrow-minded, self-centered, arrogant, ignorant, victim-fetishist... the end result will be the Alt-right stanking the place up with their opinions but leaving the same old Right in place. Donald Trump is their Barak Obama really, their disappointments should be amusing imo.

 

[likesfish]

the chans are terrible places a lot of them are trolls who have a sick sense of humour and genrally try to make everything worse.
They were behind pizza gate a totally made up conspriacy about hillary and other democrats ordering children for sex like pizzas bonkers shit.
That the alt right swallowed it hook line and sinker ended up with some fuckwit shooting rounds into the roof of a
Pizza restaurent.

Some of the gamergate actually have a point unfortunatly the whole thing gets scribbled over by trolls and nutters.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Some of the gamergate actually have a point unfortunatly the whole thing gets scribbled over by trolls and nutters.

really what point?

 

[likesfish]

Some of the points about journalism and game makers.
Plus some of protesters against gamergate have been as bad as the trolls in gamergate the lies the bomb threats etc etc.
Although a lot of gaters are horrible people so are a lot of the anti gaters

 

[Idris2002]

The grift that keeps on grifting:

Milo Yiannopoulos raised $100,000 in charity for white boys. He hasn't paid it out.

 

[Idris2002]

really what point?

General Fish is quite taken with the secret plan to carry on with the slaughter until everyone is dead, except for Lord Haig, Lady Haig, and their pet tortoise Donald.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Some of the points about journalism and game makers.
Plus some of protesters against gamergate have been as bad as the trolls in gamergate the lies the bomb threats etc etc.
Although a lot of gaters are horrible people so are a lot of the anti gaters

I'm not challenging the idea that anti gaters can be horrible as well - however which specific points about journalism and game makers did you agree with? This isn't a trick question and I'm not going to start accusing you of being pro-gater as you've made it quite clear you're not. I would like to know what you thought they said that had a point though as I can't personally think of anything.

 

[J Ed]

I'm not challenging the idea that anti gaters can be horrible as well - however which specific points about journalism and game makers did you agree with? This isn't a trick question and I'm not going to start accusing you of being pro-gater as you've made it quite clear you're not. I would like to know what you thought they said that had a point though as I can't personally think of anything.

I think that the pro-gaters were right about the personal hypocrisy and elitism of some of the more prominent anti-gamergate people, but very little else.

 

[likesfish]

They made some points that gamers werent all moronic neckbeards.

 

[Idris2002]

Now the Irish Times - a mainstream newspaper, read widely by the Irish middle classes - has decided to help normalise the spread of the Alt-Right's poison:

The alt-right movement: everything you need to know

That's by an alt-right "insider", by the way. If I ever meet the IT editor, I'm going to break his jaw.

 

[butchersapron]

Wasn't sure where to put this - thought about J's right wing PC one but decided on here. it does mirror a lot of surprised left thinking that, my gosh the far right are using ID politics all of a sudden, when it's been a planed project since the mid 70s (see the history of the french-euro new right):

The Safety Pin and the Swastika

It was only a matter of time before the right identified liberal and leftist strategies that they themselves could adopt, as a conservative Christian Duke freshman portended in 2015. Amid widespread debate over trigger warnings, he refused to read Alison Bechdel’s graphic novel Fun Home, a memoir that included depictions of lesbian sex. Also in 2015, Yale student activists campaigned for the dismissal of Erika Christakis, a lecturer who had written an email arguing that the administration shouldn’t enforce policies regarding the cultural sensitivity of student Halloween costumes. In late 2016, alt-right trolls formed an online mob dedicated to ousting George Ciccariello-Maher, a Drexel professor who ironically used the phrase “white genocide” on Twitter – a phrase that also appeared unironically on Donald Trump’s Twitter feed, when he retweeted an alt-right account.

Until recently, the phrase “white identity politics” was a trap progressives tried to set for the right. A rhetorical flourish could understate the whole brutal history of racism in America as 400 years of “white identity politics,” in order to demonstrate that the right was guilty of the same tactics as the left.

The right now acknowledges the correlation with a smirk. “So long as we avoid and deny our identities, at a time when every other people is asserting its own, we will have no chance to resist our dispossession, no chance to make our future, no chance to find another horizon,” says Richard Spencer, in an introductory video on the National Policy Institute’s website titled “Who Are We?”

It doesn’t bother Spencer to be told that his claims to ethnic pride and autonomy sound like those sometimes made by people of color. According to The New York Times, he openly acknowledges it. Spencer can seem like a character from a Philip K. Dick novel, somehow embodying his own opposite.

How does a racist manage to argue his cause with the language of antiracism? A recent article on Breitbart, coauthored by reactionary provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, may show where the alt-right found a point of entry.

Marissa Jenae Johnson has something of a history in the public eye, which began when she and another activist interrupted a Bernie Sanders rally in Seattle. In an impromptu speech, she took Sanders to task for insufficient attention to black communities, introducing herself as a cofounder of Black Lives Matter Seattle. But another local Black Lives Matter activist, Mohawk Kuzma, told The Seattle Times that the event was not collectively organized, but “two individuals doing their own independent action.”

Johnson’s initiative translated easily into an entrepreneurial spirit when she formed “Safety Pin Box” with friend and fellow activist Leslie Mac. The idea came to them when they were on vacation together in Jamaica, shortly after the election. It’s a subscription service for a monthly mailer, at prices of up to $100 a month – the website clarifies that it’s “a business, not a charity.” The box contains not safety pins, but an itinerary of activist tasks for “allies,” which the site defines as “someone from a privileged group who supports the efforts of oppressed people.” Their support should be “demonstrated financially, physically, emotionally, and spiritually.” The site’s pitch takes a stern but optimistic tone: “Whether you are new to ‘ally work,’ or were astute enough to know that the original safety pin show of solidarity was misguided, the Safety Pin Box is for you!”