The 7/7 Report

[Bob_the_lost]

And thats before we get the twin towers were blown up really stuff

You had to mention it didn't you

 

[KeyboardJockey]

You had to mention it didn't you

Whoops !! I shouldbn't have done that should I?

 

[Azrael23]

Well seeing as a lot of the hijackers from 9/11 seem to be alive its surely correct to question whether there is foul play on 7/7 as well.

The drills are correct. The drill did happen, it always seems to happen!
Its to provide a plausible excuse for suspicious radio chatter, confusion in key depts, movement of operatives (its ok they`re part of the drill)... The drills didn`t involve simulating exactly what happened, the drills were about bombs under trains. So the bombs being in backpacks means everyone thinks, oooh coincedence. Then we see all the witness reports saying the blasts came from below the carriagefloor. Its possible that the bombs were planted under the cover of the drill.

Its impossible to know with the knowledge we have whether the bombers had been selected as participants in a "drill" or whether they had been brainwashed into doing it. The fact people found them quite normal means nothing, i mean you hear that about serial killers.

The truth always comes out eventually.

All I know for sure is that Aswat "belongs" to our intelligence services.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Well seeing as a lot of the hijackers from 9/11 seem to be alive its surely correct to question whether there is foul play on 7/7 as well.

I really think Elvis Presley has got a fuck of a lot to answer for. "There's a bloke works down the chip shop swears he's Mohamed Siddique Khan"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Whoops !! I shouldbn't have done that should I?

See? Look what happens!

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Whoops !! I shouldbn't have done that should I?

It's comical just how quickly a thread that's already infested with conspiraloonery can turn into yet another 9/11 rehash.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

It's comical just how quickly a thread that's already infested with conspiraloonery can turn into yet another 9/11 rehash.

I know and it was just a slip of a few keys on thekeyboard for me an all.

 

[Andy the Don]

Well seeing as a lot of the hijackers from 9/11 seem to be alive its surely correct to question whether there is foul play on 7/7 as well. How do you know, you seen them..?

The drills are correct. The drill did happen, it always seems to happen!
Its to provide a plausible excuse for suspicious radio chatter, confusion in key depts, movement of operatives (its ok they`re part of the drill)... The drills didn`t involve simulating exactly what happened, the drills were about bombs under trains. So the bombs being in backpacks means everyone thinks, oooh coincedence. Then we see all the witness reports saying the blasts came from below the carriagefloor. Its possible that the bombs were planted under the cover of the drill.Photos & expert/eye witness evidence appear to contradict this. If there were bombs planted on the underside of the trains. How did the "patsy" bombers know which carrige to ride in..?? Don't you dare say brainwashing..

Its impossible to know with the knowledge we have whether the bombers had been selected as participants in a "drill" or whether they had been brainwashed into doing it. The fact people found them quite normal means nothing, i mean you hear that about serial killers. Or maybe they planned & executed the bombings themselves with or without the assitance of person(s) unknown.

The truth always comes out eventually. The truth is that four Muslim males motivated by the UK/USA foreign policies in the Middle East. Planned & carried out the first suicide attack on UK soil. They could have been intercepted before the bombings, but had only briefly registered on the security services radar. It was a FU by the security services. The four Muslim men suceeded in their plan. They martyred themselves & killed a lot of innocent people in the process.

All I know for sure is that Aswat "belongs" to our intelligence services. Any evidence for this. Of course not you cannot prove it, we cannot disprove it..

 

[editor]

If they released the evidence, the CCTV images from the 7th July, I'll shut up and believe what I'm told.

No, you won't.

If what you see doesn't fit your cast-in-stone conspiraloon beliefs you'll say that it's been tampered with or immediately point at some other supposed 'anomaly.'

 

[hungry 4 kicks]

Depends how causal you want to get.

You could blame the west's actions which have caused sufficient discontent for extremists to do this....

....or you could ignore the context and blame the underground for having non-bomb-proof trains...

 

[editor]

The drills are correct. The drill did happen, it always seems to happen!
Its to provide a plausible excuse for suspicious radio chatter, confusion in key depts, movement of operatives (its ok they`re part of the drill)...

You are aware that the exercise took place on paper, yes?

So what's this 'radio chatter' you're babbling on about?
What 'key departments' were involved in this 'drill?'
What 'key operatives' were moving about?

You really haven't a fucking clue, have you?

 

[laptop]

You are aware that the exercise took place on paper, yes?

And...

How many such paper exercises take place every working day in (a) London; (b) the UK?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Anyhoo...can anybody tell me the name of the chap who lost his legs, and confirm he was on C4 yesterday?

 

[jæd]

Anyhoo...can anybody tell me the name of the chap who lost his legs, and confirm he was on C4 yesterday?

I think its been being covered up by now... Part of the conspiracy...

Anyway, whats a Channel 4...?

 

[laptop]

Anyhoo...can anybody tell me the name of the chap who lost his legs, and confirm he was on C4 yesterday?

If you have the right plugins you can watch two reports at http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=2340

I don't, it seems.

Brainwave search:

http://news.google.com/news?&q=narrative+legs

Daniel Biddle, who lost his legs and an eye in the Edgware Road explosion, told BBC Breakfast: "To do a report a year on, it doesn't help anybody. To turn round and say no one was at fault, it doesn't help the survivor to get past it.

"To me, there's no justice because the person who's at fault killed himself when he set the bomb off.

"I can't get a sense of justice from any report. It doesn't enable me to move on."

here

Doesn't rule out him having been on C4 too... must do some work...

 

[Jonti]

... It was a FU by the security services ...

It is the case that sometimes crimes are not prevented when they could have been because the security services were trying to "climb the ladder" to get to the bigger fish. That's the concern -- that there was indeed contact with an alq person, and the gang was not disrupted because the alq contact was the more important target.*

If -- and notice the emphasis -- folk find things don't quite add up, that would seem the natural direction to turn in a search for the missing factor.

How to assuage that concern?

*this would not (necessarily) imply the bombings were knowingly allowed to happen.

 

[Azrael23]

But what I say is true, its you that hasnt got a clue if you didn`t know Haroon Aswat is an MI5 asset. He was arrested in the US and he was going to stand trial for terror training in oregon, did he? No, he was ghosted away by our security services.
Thats mainstream new MSNBC iirc.



The same is true of Abu Hamza, if he was such an enemy, why was he given a free house, expenses, freedom to incite... they`re hired boogeymen to scare us all into accepting the insane.

 

[editor]

You are aware that the exercise took place on paper, yes?

So what's this 'radio chatter' you're babbling on about?
What 'key departments' were involved in this 'drill?'
What 'key operatives' were moving about?

Are you going to answer these points, Azrael, or are you going to indulge in the tired old conspiraloon tactic of immediately changing the subject whenever you find yourself faced with tricky questions?

 

[Azrael23]

I said the drill might have been a smokescreen under which to place the real bombs, like the drills on 9/11 enabled standard procedure to be recanted.

I was talking about radio chatter from the security service teams, not chatter from the drill. The whole point was to be able to say "oh its just that drill"

I was quite clear I thought.

 

[Prole]

No, you won't.

If what you see doesn't fit your cast-in-stone conspiraloon beliefs you'll say that it's been tampered with or immediately point at some other supposed 'anomaly.'

All I would need to see is a cohesive and truthful account of their movements that morning, let the evidence speak for itself.

I didn't even question 9/11 before I started wondering what was so strange about the facts around 7th July and how it didn't make sense. I suppose I came at it with an 'open mind' and would need proof (evidence, facts,) not conjecture and wishful thinking, before I make up my own mind about what we are told happened that morning.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I said the drill might have been a smokescreen under which to place the real bombs, like the drills on 9/11 enabled standard procedure to be recanted.

I was talking about radio chatter from the security service teams, not chatter from the drill. The whole point was to be able to say "oh its just that drill"

I was quite clear I thought.

So it's an excuse (that wouldn't work) for chat (that never happened) over heard (by nobody) on the day.

You're an idiot.

 

[Prole]

And...

How many such paper exercises take place every working day in (a) London; (b) the UK?

At precisely those stations? Come on what's the chances of that.

 

[Prole]

Anyhoo...can anybody tell me the name of the chap who lost his legs, and confirm he was on C4 yesterday?

Danny Biddle

 

[dennisr]

The worst acpect of the conspiracy 'theorists' is that they always be able to find some shread of half-baked 'evidence' to support thier theory and find 'evidence' of some hidden hand - the state, the whatever-ethnic-group, the lizards or whomsoever. But they sem to miss the real point completely.

There is a real 'conspiracy' of lies and deceit and it is not some 'secret' organisation with funny handshakes and/or telopathic powers. It is not some organised group or cell with a hidden agenda but the percived economic/social interests and 'necessities' of those who have real power in this society. But the lunatics who are desperatly trying to find 'evidence' of some 'hidden hand' and 'coverup' seem to have lost the plot - have lost the very reason for their anger and determination to understand what really happened (which is clear from the determination to go on and on and on without any genuine evidence).

They end up deflecting and putting off others attempts to really understand the reasons these events really happened. They are letting the the real conspirators off the hook. They are taring those who are actually asking the REALLY awkward questions with the same brush. I wonder why they are so concerned about thier idiotic theories? maybe they are part of some 'conspiracy of disinformation' - maybe it is they who already have the bloody electrodes planted in thier skulls - the morons??

Despite the clear opposition of the vast majority of people in the UK to the military fiasco in Iraq - the real 'conspirators' went ahead and bombed and murdered tens of thousands. They created the scenario where WE were seen as 'legitimate targets' by another group of conspiracy theory idiots who are also incapable of drawing the real lessons of these events. They did this for strategic oil interests. They did this in our name but without our support and now we are paying the price. Some here and in Iraq have paid the most terrible price possible. That is all obvious to most people who can put two and two together.

The idiots who blew themselves up did so - as far as I can see - because of thier own half baked conspiracy theories - thier own distorted conclusions drawn from thier own experiences as 'muslims' in the UK. Some of thier reasoning was based crudley on the very real crap they have faced - racism, being ousiders, a perception that the imperial adventure in Iraq was against them (in a sense it was - it was against all of us - but not just because they are muslims), whatever the reasons...

And maybe it could even be true that this is all some sophisticated attempt to pull the wool over all of our eyes, maybe the conspiracy theorists are right, the bombers were not bombers at all, it was all a set up - but it not that bloody likely is it and even if it is then we will not be able to know.

There are simple facts we do know though that offer enough condemnation of this government and we can draw perfectly adequate conclusions from these.

The direct victims who spoke yesterday clearly have - they have shown an aweful lot more sense, inteligence and humanity than some of the conspiracy loons who have posted on this thread IMO

 

[Bob_the_lost]

At precisely those stations? Come on what's the chances of that.

*Scream of rage echos around the lost castle*

They weren't the same stations you jibbering piece of educational excrement. The excersise was based around mainline overland train stations as well as tube ones.

 

[Prole]

*Scream of rage echos around the lost castle*

They weren't the same stations you jibbering piece of educational excrement. The excersise was based around mainline overland train stations as well as tube ones.

...at half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!"

....as spoken by Mr Peter Power, Managing Director of Disaster and Crisis Management firm, Visor Consultants, interviewed by Radio 5 Live's Drivetime programme on the afternoon of July 7th 2005.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

...at half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!"

....as spoken by Mr Peter Power, Managing Director of Disaster and Crisis Management firm, Visor Consultants, interviewed by Radio 5 Live's Drivetime programme on the afternoon of July 7th 2005.

Yeah, then read the latter in depth comments about the excersise from the same person.

But you won't, because in almost a year you haven't gotten off your arse to check the veracity of the "facts" you expouse to all and sundry.

 

[Azrael23]

So it's an excuse (that wouldn't work) for chat (that never happened) over heard (by nobody) on the day.

You're an idiot.

Its a hypothesis I suggested nothing more. I wrote an essay 2 nights ago about false-flag terrorism and as a consequence I read about the ways in which we have used distractions in the past. I commented on that, so sue me.
I`m not claiming this is the wholesale truth, but at the same time, it could be true, its conjecture. Surely your the idiot for claiming its definitely not true....how can you know? The whole point is that the "official" line is full of too many discrepancies and plain lies. Instead of lambasting us for not knowing the whole truth, why aren`t we attacking our leaders to release it?
Oh...you don`t wanna be seen as a conspiracy whacko....

So either admit your putting blind faith in proven garbage or challenge your MP on the issue of public 7/7 investigations.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Its a hypothesis I suggested nothing more. I wrote an essay 2 nights ago about false-flag terrorism and as a consequence I read about the ways in which we have used distractions in the past. I commented on that, so sue me.
I`m not claiming this is the wholesale truth, but at the same time, it could be true, its conjecture. Surely your the idiot for claiming its definitely not true....how can you know? The whole point is that the "official" line is full of too many discrepancies and plain lies. Instead of lambasting us for not knowing the whole truth, why aren`t we attacking our leaders to release it?
Oh...you don`t wanna be seen as a conspiracy whacko....

So either admit your putting blind faith in proven garbage or challenge your MP on the issue of public 7/7 investigations.

It's pointless conjecture, since it's bollocks.

Radios. Underground. Encrypted radios. KISS.

There is nothing suspicious about the excersise, the nature, the timing or the type of threat, nor is there anything suspicious about the results from it (pretty much none). Your paranoid meanderings about it are rather irrelevant.

 

[jæd]

The whole point is that the "official" line is full of too many discrepancies and plain lies.

Well... I for one would be interested if you post up an all the lies that we've been told, and the *fully substanticated* evidence for this.

If you can, of course...