The 7/7 Report

[axon]

Prole...Why don't you consider the information on
a) the Luton to Kings Cross trains that ran that day
b) the time of the Luton photo
c) the time of the Kings Cross photo
Exercise a little logic and you may come to a surprising conclusion.

 

[laptop]

Certainly not on the cancelled 7.40 train.

Assuming for the moment that the conspiraloon quotations that support this claim are truthful...

So. How. Did. They. Get. To. London. Then. ?

 

[Prole]

Prole...Why don't you consider the information on
a) the Luton to Kings Cross trains that ran that day
b) the time of the Luton photo
c) the time of the Kings Cross photo
Exercise a little logic and you may come to a surprising conclusion.

Which Kings X photo would that be?

 

[axon]

The one at 8:26 from KC mainline station that the truthseeking website you posted goes on about.

 

[editor]

The question being: How did they get to London then? As I said the official story makes no sense, maybe you should ask the Home Office or the MPS?

No, I've asked you.

If they didn't get the train as you insist, then how did they get to London?

You see, in my crazy Occam's razor world, I reckon it's far more likely that some lackey at British-Connex-SouthEast-Rail-or-whatever-they're-currently called and/or London Underground simply got the times wrong (if your claim is true) rather than suddenly believing in a wild conspiracy yarn that currently hasn't a shred of proof to support it.

But I'm always ready to be persuaded, so you could start by explaining by what other possible (and credible) method the bombers reached London if they didn't travel by train.

I'd say that cars would be out because of the time it would take, so are saying that they might have been helicoptered in? Parachuted? Or teleported?

How could they get to London in that time if not by train?

I've asked several times now so it would be nice if you'd have the courtesy to reply

 

[Jazzz]

While I'd agree remembering faces can be unreliable, the guy says he saw the bloke with the bag seconds before the bomb went off - and the fact that he lost his legs meant that there's no denying that he was very close to the bomb.

This cuts both ways ed. As he was so close to the bomb, and knows that he was so close to it, it would be very difficult for him not to find the bomber in his memory whether it is real or constructed. Again, Mark Whitby.

 

[editor]

Again, Mark Whitby.

Was Mark Whitby seriously injured then?

 

[Jazzz]

No, I've asked you.

If they didn't get the train as you insist, then how did they get to London?
...

I've asked several times now so it would be nice if you'd have the courtesy to reply

But, this is the question prole is asking. How is she meant to know?

 

[Jazzz]

Was Mark Whitby seriously injured then?

No, but Charles de Menezes was, and he wasn't wearing a padded jacket. Nor did he run into Mark Whitby's carriage like a 'cornered fox'. Nor did he look asian. All of which Mark Whitby confidently claimed, only to later decide he had confused Menezes with someone else (even though you would have thought one would know who the shots were fired into).

 

[TAE]

I'd also like to know the primary source of the cancellation claim.

Also, the blog that was linked to contains the following observation:

The only evidence introduced to date regarding these men's travel from Luton is a CCTV still which shows their arrival time at 7:21.

Your timetable of actual departure times from Luton Station reveals that had these men caught the next train to Kings Cross which left at 7:25am they would have arrived at Kings Cross at 8:23am in time to catch all the respective trains at 8:35, 8:42 and 8:48.

 

[editor]

Dumbest. Loonspud. Claim. Ever. (thanks laptop)

The simplest way to do this was the scenario we outlined: the four were intercepted and then killed elsewhere by means of a similar bomb. After the underfloor train bombs exploded, their remains were later placed among other remains legitimately recovered from the blast sites.

Fucking morons.

 

[editor]

But, this is the question prole is asking. How is she meant to know?

So she's no idea how they got to London - even if it's highly unlikely they could get there by any other means than train in the time period - but she definitely knows that they didn't arrive by train, yes?

So how did they get there then?

 

[Prole]

The one at 8:26 from KC mainline station that the truthseeking website you posted goes on about.

Why does the official government report based on intelligence & security agencies and police reports state they got the 7.40 then?

 

[Prole]

The one at 8:26 from KC mainline station that the truthseeking website you posted goes on about.

That the official report into 7th July says exists but has never been shown?

 

[laptop]

Prole -

Which part of this question do you not understand:

So. How. Did. They. Get. To. London. Then. ?

(Please answer both questions now.)

 

[Prole]

No, I've asked you.

If they didn't get the train as you insist, then how did they get to London?

You see, in my crazy Occam's razor world, I reckon it's far more likely that some lackey at British-Connex-SouthEast-Rail-or-whatever-they're-currently called and/or London Underground simply got the times wrong (if your claim is true) rather than suddenly believing in a wild conspiracy yarn that currently hasn't a shred of proof to support it.

But I'm always ready to be persuaded, so you could start by explaining by what other possible (and credible) method the bombers reached London if they didn't travel by train.

I'd say that cars would be out because of the time it would take, so are saying that they might have been helicoptered in? Parachuted? Or teleported?

How could they get to London in that time if not by train?

I've asked several times now so it would be nice if you'd have the courtesy to reply

Unless you want me to make something up (which isn't what I'm interested in) I can't answer.

The only way this can be settled is by the release of the CCTV images from KX on 7th July. Release the evidence!

 

[laptop]

I can't answer.

So you have, in fact, no interest whatsoever in the truth - just in picking nits?

I don't believe you that you have no answer, by the way.

 

[Prole]

Dumbest. Loonspud. Claim. Ever. (thanks laptop)

Fucking morons.

If something like that had happened (and I've no idea if it did) it could explain how Khan's property turned up at 3 of the sites.

Also might explain how the Edgware Rd incident was reported originally at 9.17 before it was changed to 8.50. It takes 26 minutes for a circle line train to travel from Aldgate to Edgware Rd.

But I have no idea, all of this is pure speculation and I prefer to exam the evidence.

 

[Prole]

So you have, in fact, no interest whatsoever in the truth - just in picking nits?

I don't believe you that you have no answer, by the way.

Truth and justice. Sounds good to me.
Now can I hector you and editor for an answer to this:

Why don't they show us the CCTV from 7th July? Why only from 28/6?

 

[laptop]

Truth and justice. Sounds good to me.

It scans. But clearly you wouldn't know "truth" if it slapped you. You have no idea what the phrase "a primary source" means, do you? You are keen to pick holes but claim, here to have no interest whatsoever in the truth. If you had that, your claim that it could not have happened in a particular way would oblige you to set out what did happen.

I predict that a quick scan of your posts elsewhere would reveal this claim of uninterest to be economical with the fruitloopery - but I haven't the stomach for it right now.

Why don't they show us the CCTV from 7th July? Why only from 28/6?

Because they don't have to.

Because there are many, many reasons not to - for example the risk of prejudicing a trial if it were to turn out there was someone alive to try.

Which reasons have been gone over here, in detail, several times.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Truth and justice. Sounds good to me.
Now can I hector you and editor for an answer to this:

Why don't they show us the CCTV from 7th July? Why only from 28/6?

Why the living fuck are you asking here? Does this look like MI5 or the Illuminati HQ? Why don't you bugger off and email the PM?

Why on earth would anyone think that pissing off a bunch of people on a board somewhere would help them?

 

[Prole]

LAPTOP Because they don't have to.

Because there are many, many reasons not to - for example the risk of prejudicing a trial if it were to turn out there was someone alive to try.

Why doesn't that apply to 21/7 no bombs bombers trial then?

 

[laptop]

Why doesn't that apply to 21/7

If that is the case - and on the evidence here if you asserted that the sun rises in the east I'd say "wait until the morning and I'll get back to you - then the evience presented at the trial will have a large bearing on this.

As I said, this has been gone over thoughly, including contributions from posters who have prepared cases for trial.

Your other slogan is ridiculous.

Go seek attention elsewhere.

 

[Prole]

Why the living fuck are you asking here? Does this look like MI5 or the Illuminati HQ? Why don't you bugger off and email the PM?

Why on earth would anyone think that pissing off a bunch of people on a board somewhere would help them?

OK then sorry if discussing the report into 7th July and it's inconsistencies pisses you all off.

Bye and good luck.

All together now: Release the evidence!

 

[Greebozz]

I have revised my post, the thing is it is very hard to convince anyone. If you are right then you have to trust other good people will agree with you. You have laid out your theory very well and with great energy and detail. If there is any one single person in the entire universe who agrees with you could they please post here.

 

[Prole]

Prole, I am going to say some things about where you are coming from, please feel free to correct me.

You are under 25 years old. You are a devout Muslim, you spend a lot of time around the mosque. You are more of a Scholar than a scientist. You spend a lot of time around people of one particular culture. I am making not judgments good or bad. But it is a context that explains what you have been saying.

I had said goodbye to these boards but just to answer your question if it's sincerely asked which i don't know if it is:

I'm 51, female,working-class, Londoner, 3 kids, a son who uses the tube every day and whom I couldn't contact for hours on 7th July, I'm an atheist but of e/european jewish/irish catholic parentage. A socialist but not of the Labour mould and a great believer in truth humanity and justice for all.

 

[Jazzz]

Pretty close though Greebozz!

 

[Jazzz]

OK then sorry if discussing the report into 7th July and it's inconsistencies pisses you all off.

Bye and good luck.

All together now: Release the evidence!

Don't go Prole! We need you

 

[Greebozz]

Wow did I get that wrong I was certain that you were a young firebrand who had been force fed propaganda. If you don't mind me asking why is this so important to you? Are you into conspiracy theories in general?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You've got a funny choice of threads to post on. If it's not saying that the left are full of hate, it's popping up on threads like this with comments apparently designed to encourage and continue argument, both before and after editing. I wonder why that could be?