Thatcher is dead

[ViolentPanda]

Perhaps likesfish the reason that it keeps coming forward is the real possibility that it isn't a myth?

Even if I discounted nearly 30 years of rumours (some from people I'd trust with my life), I still accept that on the balance of probabilities, there's a more than even chance that military personnel were used.

Wish I could remember which academic did the research on establishment and deployment numbers for the various forces during the strike - there was a "difficult to address" gap between the numbers of coppers deployed, and how many coppers each force had on establishment. It was possibly explainable by the drafting of personnel from other forces, but only if those forces were left with skeleton numbers in their own constabularies.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Shit, do I have to wear a dress and shoes? It's always docs, jeans and fleece when I visit London normally

Depends. If you own and wear a string of pearls, you could probably get away with the jeans and docs.

 

[ViolentPanda]

so how come not a single squaddie has come forward to admit to being at the miners strike?
for the policy to work you'd need large numbers of soldiers and they talk especailly about something like this

Who said anything about "a large number"?
You'd only need a couple of hundred, acting as a strategic reserve, ready to be deployed wherever necessary, to tip the balance in any mass demo context, and only dozens to make a difference at a smaller-scale situation.

Use your head, for fucks' sake.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Official Secrets Act.

And shame, too.
If you were a squaddie from the north or Scotland, who'd basically shat on their own, would you want to spill your guts, when even now it could get you a kicking, and your family sent to Coventry?

 

[ViolentPanda]

No they wouldn't. Their job is to kill people on behalf of those MP's.

Not having that.
Their job is to defend this country. Yes, that means killing people sometimes, and defending the interests of some utterly shit creatures, but to claim that "it's their job to kill people on behalf of those MP's" is as pathetic as you're accusing likesfish of being below.

Wise up. This pathetic soldier-worship is beneath even you.

 

[Balbi]

Right then, who's going to start the "Iain Duncan Smith/David Cameron Death Watch" thread.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I was talking about the military police they are loathed by the army and would be the last people you'd call out for public order duty or in fact anything frankly.
As embarrasingly crap at police work as they are at soldiering
most greenjackets would gleefully put the boot into a monkey in a riot situation

True, but then the Greenjackets have always been bottle-jobs. Decent soldiers put the boot into MPs in any situation where the choice is available.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Not having that.
Their job is to defend this country. Yes, that means killing people sometimes, and defending the interests of some utterly shit creatures, but to claim that "it's their job to kill people on behalf of those MP's" is as pathetic as you're accusing likesfish of being below.

No it's not. They defend the government, they are the armed wing of the state. I'm not even going to derail the thread debating such an obvious truism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...graph-readers-remember-Margaret-Thatcher.html

What an utterly nauseating collection of encomia.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No it's not. They defend the government, they are the armed wing of the state. I'm not even going to derail the thread debating such an obvious truism.

Go check the various constitutional sources, Delroy.

 

[existentialist]

RTB was gerrymandering - to buy the tory vote in previously unwinnable seats - she only had a relatively small majority in 1979 (50?) wanted to ensure a bigger majority at the next election and that was against an unpopular labour government - Cameron failed to win against arguably an even more unpopular Labour government - luckily for her the Falklands came along

It wasn't just gerrymandering, though.

It was nailing people's feet to the ground by putting them heavily in hock - what union member was going to be quite so likely to strike with a mortgage around his neck? And, come to that, he was now a member of the Property Owning Classes - he'd been co-opted into the very system that effectively owned him (and, naturally, with the undermining of assured tenancies, not only was life made easier for the private landlords, but you added another layer of uncertainty to the lives of those who didn't own property).

Same with privatisation - give "Sid" his little pile of British Gas shares, and you'd bought Sid's soul - he was now going to have to think twice about kicking the Establishment in the bollocks, given that he was now - in a much smaller way than he ever realised - part of that establishment, and stood to lose if it suffered.

 

[CosmikRoger]

Is she still dead? Has anyone actually checked?
The souless undead always come back.
Paging Buffy......

 

[existentialist]

It was also the marginals and 'soft' labour seats in the South, but her main aim in the policy was to take housing out of the public sector as much as was possible; hence the poisonous clause banning councils from using RTB revenues from building new stock

Yeah, quite a few lost a lot of that revenue because they stuck it in the too-good-to-be-true BCCI which then went tits up.

 

[Dovydaitis]

Depends. If you own and wear a string of pearls, you could probably get away with the jeans and docs.

Bollocks..... Hang on though, what top would it be? Does it have to be twin set or can I wear a t-shirt of my choice?

 

[laptop]

Is she still dead? Has anyone actually checked?
The souless undead always come back.
Paging Buffy......

What Is Really In The White Van?

Open The Van!

Or It's A Cover-Up!!!11!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bollocks..... Hang on though, what top would it be? Does it have to be twin set or can I wear a t-shirt of my choice?

T-shirt of your choice under zipped up fleece?

 

[Fat Freddy]

My cats are impressionable, there's no way I'd expose them to that sort of rubbish while they're having a shit. Fullers clay is a perfectly acceptable and less politically-charged alternative if you're on a tight budget.

Surely it would be a good idea to give your cats the impression that they should shit on images of Thatcher, and indeed on the phrase, "Daily Express".

 

[Dogsauce]

Seeing which comments have been 'upvoted' on the BBC article is quite heartwarming - the comments section has been flooded with the tory faithful (probably under central office orders) during a lot of the recent benefits coverage, but looks like they've been outvoted on this one. Meaningless, but still.

 

[Streathamite]

Not having that.
Their job is to defend this country.

Do you mean, " in their eyes, their job is to defend this country?" If so that makes sense, because I'd see their job more as defending the State, and the interestes of the ruling class (the effective owners of the State).
e2a; "and according to the official line, their job is..."

 

[weepiper]

From my auntie

When my youngest son was 6, I stayed with him in hospital as he had his adenoids removed. The wee lad in the next bed had no visitors as his mum couldn't afford the bus fare. She asked me to care for him. Her husband was a miner.
I offered to help out, but she needed to be with the other weans and take them to the soup kitchen.

 

[SpineyNorman]

How long before the Thatcher conspiracy theories start and what will they be?

I'm going for: she didn't die of a stroke, she was murdered by cultural Marxists who realised the iron lady was the only one capable of stopping them from taking over the world.

Or: She's not really dead - teh jooz kidnapped her and are now torturing her until she gives in and offers her Thatcherite political genius to the cause of taking over the world and making it a communist dictatorship. (I'd actually quite like that one to be real lol)

 

[SpineyNorman]

From my auntie

I hope she's in the special, extra nasty bit of hell. The bit where they don't usually put people cos Satan says it's too cruel.

It's a shame she can't be revived so she can die again same time next year.

 

[geminisnake]

Yup, blazer or Barbour. Wear army surplus or a biker jacket and you'll be unreasonably detained from going about your lawful business.

Oi!! I wear a Barbour!! It's damn handy for travelling. I can weigh an extra stone when I have the pockets full

 

[danny la rouge]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/martin-mcguinness-end-thatcher-celebrations

Martin McGuinness tells republicans to stop celebrating Thatcher's death

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oi!! I wear a Barbour!! It's damn handy for travelling. I can weigh an extra stone when I have the pockets full

I'm just saying it makes good camo, mate.

 

[brogdale]

How long before the Thatcher conspiracy theories start and what will they be?

I'm going for: she didn't die of a stroke, she was murdered by cultural Marxists who realised the iron lady was the only one capable of stopping them from taking over the world.

Or: She's not really dead - teh jooz kidnapped her and are now torturing her until she gives in and offers her Thatcherite political genius to the cause of taking over the world and making it a communist dictatorship. (I'd actually quite like that one to be real lol)

Tell you what, though...taking over 12 hours between croaking & undertaker's van leaving, waiting till early morning to do it, numerous OB on gate and OB escort for van. It shows quite how worried they are; they know, don't they?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you mean, " in their eyes, their job is to defend this country?" If so that makes sense, because I'd see their job more as defending the State, and the interestes of the ruling class (the effective owners of the State).
e2a; "and according to the official line, their job is..."

Delroy mentioned the govt. The govt and the state aren't the same thing. IYSWIM.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Tell you what, though...taking over 12 hours between croaking & undertaker's van leaving, waiting till early morning to do it, numerous OB on gate and OB escort for van. It shows quite how worried they are; they know, don't they?

Nah. She is really dead, it's just that the undertaker's van had to be secure and scrutiny-proof, so that pesky folk couldn't find out that the corpse in the van was lizard.

 

[Buckaroo]

Wonder what book she was reading when she snuffed it. Any ideas?

 

[geminisnake]

I'm just saying it makes good camo, mate.

But I don't want people to think I'm a tory You're right though. My travel outfit of Craghopper trousers, walking boots and Barbour get me through airport security every time