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It's worth remembering that for much of the 80s, Blunkett was very much seen as being of the Left. In the mid 80s,

Thatcher -who was obsessed by what she saw as the massive unfairness (to her actual or target voters) of the Rates system (which ultimately led to her career-ending disaster of the poll tax, which sure was Karma!) - brought in legislation to cap the rates councils could set, which was an outrageous assault on local democracy.

Several Labour councils formed a coalition to defy thiis, and pledged to set an illegal rate. However, at a crucial moment, the biggest one -the GLC - and another big one, Sheffield, bottled. It and caved in, and the campaign collapsed. Only two councils -Lambeth and Liverpool - had the courage to see it through to the end. And got duly judicially clobbered.
Thanks - I remembered that Lambeth and Liverpool were the two councils that stood out against the government. I hadn't been aware that there was originally a larger group including Sheffield and the GLC.

Can you clear up another point that intrigues me? There were 31 surcharged councillors. presumably that means at least one Labour Councillor must have voted to set a rate? Is there any information on what happened there?

The photo below from the Radical Lambeth blog was taken at an anniversary event - probably in 2016 - at Clapham Library. Note that Ted Knight is standing next to John McDonnell. Lloyd Leon, Lambeth Mayor at the time of the surcharging events is prominent , and on the extreme left of the picture Rachel Heywood - a more recent victim of political purges.img_5652 (1).jpg
 
Can you clear up another point that intrigues me? There were 31 surcharged councillors. presumably that means at least one Labour Councillor must have voted to set a rate? Is there any information on what happened there?
Stewart Cakebread (not a made up name), Janet Boston & Vince Leon all initially voted against setting a rate, but then changed their minds before second vote.
 
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Stewart Cakebread (not a made up name), Janet Boston & Vince Leon all initially voted against setting a rate, but then changed their minds before second vote.
If my mind is working clearly, then the three who changed their minds abstained rather than voted to set a rate?
It would be very interesting to see if that rate setting meeting was minuted. I doubt Lambeth meetings are recorded verbatim like Hansard though.
 
If my mind is working clearly, then the three who changed their minds abstained rather than voted to set a rate?
It would be very interesting to see if that rate setting meeting was minuted. I doubt Lambeth meetings are recorded verbatim like Hansard though.
I wouldn't swear to it, but I think they actually voted in favour of agreeing to set a rate, but not actually setting it, iyswim
 
I wouldn't swear to it, but I think they actually voted in favour of agreeing to set a rate, but not actually setting it, iyswim
Turns out there is a huge article in Wikipedia about the Ratecapping Rebellion - dealing with the whole country.
The detail on Lambeth is here:
Lambeth[edit]
From the start, Lambeth had been in the forefront of the campaign. Despite rumours that three might break ranks, all 34 Labour councillors present voted on 7 March 1985 not to set a rate.[190] As the new financial year approached, Labour councillor Stewart Cakebread dissented, saying that a budget set at the cap limit would not require cuts.[191] The Conservative group summoned an emergency meeting on 10 April 1985 but their proposal for a legal rate was defeated by 34 to 30.[192] A second Labour councillor, Janet Boston, rebelled at a special policy committee meeting on 30 April, supporting a Conservative motion to call a special council meeting on Sunday 5 May; both Boston and Cakebread werebarristers. Meanwhile, council officials estimated that the failure to set a rate by 1 May had already cost the council £170,000 in lost interest.[193]

As had happened on other councils, the district auditor wrote to all councillors on 9 May telling them that an extraordinary audit would follow if no rate had been set by the end of the month; council leader Ted Knight insisted that the council would not set a rate at its meeting on 15 May "or any time after until the Government returns the money it has taken from us".[154]At this meeting a third Labour councillor, Vince Leon, joined Boston and Cakebread in voting for legal budgets.[194] Boston and Cakebread were removed from all committees by the Lambeth Labour Group at the end of the month,[195] and Boston was told to resign her seat by her local ward Labour Party (she refused). Cakebread received the support of his branch.[196]


Lambeth town hall, a focus for the council's protests and also where territory was recaptured from the Auditor.
The district auditor, Brian Skinner, found that his permission to use offices in Lambeth town hall allocated to NALGO was withdrawn in mid-May;[197] he was also surprised to discover his photograph on a threatening mock 'Wanted' poster in his local supermarket. Skinner's employers, the Audit Commission, sought police assistance in tracking down and destroying copies of the poster.[198] After a council meeting on 5 June again rejected a legal budget (by 32–30), the Audit Commission stated that a letter would be sent immediately to all councillors who had not voted for the motion (possibly including two Conservatives who had been absent) notifying them of an extraordinary audit and possible surcharge over lost interest which by then amounted to over £270,000.[199]

While the council finances were sustained by loans amounting to £29m from the Public Works Loan Board,[200] the resignation of Labour councillor Mike Bright on 21 June 1985 put those supporting continued defiance in the minority. Bright wrote a resignation letter revealing he saw no hope of success and expected to be surcharged: "Martyrdom, however heroic, is usually the sign of a lost cause".[201] Ted Knight described Bright as a "victim of [the state] machine".[202] After a formal notice of an extraordinary audit was published on 18 June,[203] 32 councillors received notice on 27 June that the auditor deemed them liable to a surcharge of £126,947.[204] The response of the councillors was to set up a 'Fighting Fund' in their defence, which was supported at its launch by the prominent actors Jill Gascoine, Frances de la Tour, Matthew Kelly, and Timothy West;[205]the Labour group debated whether Mike Bright ought to be eligible for help from the fund.[204]

At the next council meeting on 3 July, there was uproar after members of Vauxhall Constituency Labour Party unfurled a banner from the public gallery behind the Conservative group. When Conservative councillor Tony Green tore the banner down, Labour councillor Terry Rich rushed across to confront him and was only held back in a headlock by another councillor. The meeting was adjourned for 20 minutes. When it resumed, Janet Boston and Stuart Cakebread moved a legal rate which was passed by 32 to 31.[206] The council was able to avoid cuts in planned spending with the aid of additional £5.5m housing subsidy from the Government and £6m from the Greater London Council's 'stress boroughs' scheme,[207] the Lambeth Fighting Fund therefore claimed the campaign had been a success "in financial terms".[208]

As you can see this article is annotated, so I guess post corona we could saunter off to the Minet Library archives and read the bits of the South London Press.

To come back to my question - and your answer - it seems Cllrs Janet Boston and Stuart Cakebread proposed a legal rate, which was then voted through by them and the opposition (who were probably 27 Tory & 3 SDP/Liberal Alliance at a guess).
 
I was told some years ago that he knew quite a bit more about child abuse going on in Lambeth than this would suggest.

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He was leader of Lambeth council from 1978 to 1985. What did he know about this ... and what did he do about it?

 


(Source: as stated in image)

He was leader of Lambeth council from 1978 to 1985. What did he know about this ... and what did he do about it?






A few points:
1. Ted Knight was council leader 1978 - 1986.

2. Some of the events regarding John Carroll overlap Ted Knight - in particular Carroll's job application with Lambeth, in which he lied on the form. His offences came to light because Carroll and his wife applied to adopt a child from Croydon Council - and Croydon did do the checks.
This is all here from the enquiry D.2: Michael John Carroll: a sexual offender
Also on that link you can download the whole enquiry report in pdf (3.7 MB)

3. Another issue which added to the conspiracy angle was the death of Bulic Forsythe. That was February 1993.
By that time the council leader was Steve Whalley - who gave evidence to the official inquiry as did Joan Twelves and Anna Tapsell.

Bulic Forsyth's murder is alluded to in the report on this page, which also includes lots of evidence from Herman Oussley, Lambeth's Chief Executive at the time (1993). F.4: Bullying, intimidation and racism

For the full conspiracy account you have to go here: http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?
key=2311&termRef=Bulic%20Forsythe

4. Personally I can't see how Ted Knight could be implicated in any of this. We are in Pizzagate teritory here. Ted Knight is dead, so the conspiracists can say what they like, but unfortunately unlike Pizzagate where a lone gunman was made to look like the loon he was, in Ted Knight's case the best outcome for Ted is a "not proven" verdict. His friends and the judicial system would have to prove a negative - which is impossible.
 
A few points:
1. Ted Knight was council leader 1978 - 1986.

2. Some of the events regarding John Carroll overlap Ted Knight - in particular Carroll's job application with Lambeth, in which he lied on the form. His offences came to light because Carroll and his wife applied to adopt a child from Croydon Council - and Croydon did do the checks.
This is all here from the enquiry D.2: Michael John Carroll: a sexual offender
Also on that link you can download the whole enquiry report in pdf (3.7 MB)

3. Another issue which added to the conspiracy angle was the death of Bulic Forsythe. That was February 1993.
By that time the council leader was Steve Whalley - who gave evidence to the official inquiry as did Joan Twelves and Anna Tapsell.

Bulic Forsyth's murder is alluded to in the report on this page, which also includes lots of evidence from Herman Oussley, Lambeth's Chief Executive at the time (1993). F.4: Bullying, intimidation and racism

For the full conspiracy account you have to go here: http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?
key=2311&termRef=Bulic%20Forsythe

4. Personally I can't see how Ted Knight could be implicated in any of this. We are in Pizzagate teritory here. Ted Knight is dead, so the conspiracists can say what they like, but unfortunately unlike Pizzagate where a lone gunman was made to look like the loon he was, in Ted Knight's case the best outcome for Ted is a "not proven" verdict. His friends and the judicial system would have to prove a negative - which is impossible.

Well that's alright then.
 
It's your choice. Do you believe Ted Knight personally knew what we now know - and did nothing?

Only he could have answered that. Though I suppose, fighting Thatcher or protecting kids from abuse, must have given him a few sleepless nights. Did he make the right decision, who knows.
 
Ted Knight was leader of Healy's people he kept inside Labour Party.
See here for an interesting read:
Someone else recommended that to me - but more in the way of a general denunciation of left extremism.

To be fair your relevant quote from the book review is this:
"Ted Knight – recently deceased – was widely seen as Healy’s operative in the Labour Party. I have no idea if that was the case but his Labour Herald newspaper was printed on favourable terms by the WRP and at one stage Clare Cowan was simply told to give him her car, this at a time he was leader of Lambeth Council."

There is a very detailed well-written free account of the Gerry Healy question here: Gerry Healy - Chapter 11

some bizarre quotes:
The final nail in Healys political coffin was the eruption of a sexual scandal centring on his corrupt relations with women comrades. Again, there was nothing new in this. Back in the early 1950s, Healy had been in trouble after propositioning of daughter of a prominent figure in the Fourth International. In 1964 an SLL control commission had been held over Healys relationship with a leader of the Young Socialists. And one of the background issues to the 1974 split in the WRP was the rejection of Healys advances by a woman supporter of Thornett. All of this, however, had been kept from the membership, the majority of whom reacted with shock and outrage after Healys corruption was exposed in a letter by his longtime secretary Aileen Jennings.

What was the character of this sexual abuse? It was later stated that the women Healy pressurised into having sexual relations with him mistakenly believed that the revolution in the form of the "greatest" leader demanded this, the most personal sacrifice of all. They were not coerced ... physically, but every pressure was brought to bear on them as revolutionaries. The situation was not so much rape but ... sexual abuse by someone in a position of power and trust. It was, Dave Bruce comments, wholesale sexual corruption in a manner analogous to these religious sects. Theres a very close parallel.

There were four or five of us who quite consciously were organising in opposition to Healy.... Every letter Healy got was opened, photocopied and passed on to us before Healy ever got it, and re-sealed. Then we bugged his premises so we knew what he was doing.... We felt that, if you couldnt fight corruption in your own movement, why call yourself a Trot? It was at the instigation of this group that Aileen Jennings who was about to leave the party and disappear wrote her letter exposing Healys sexual activities and naming 26 of the women involved. This bombshell was consciously timed to go off when it would be least expected the day after the apparently successful rally at the end of the march to free the jailed miners.

When Jennings letter was read to a Political Committee meeting on 1 July, it produced the anticipated explosion. Vanessa Redgrave was screeching at the top of her voice that this was the work of the Black Hundreds, Richard Price recounts. Thats a memory I cherish. And Banda gave this bizarre, rambling speech about how all sorts of great leaders had had little vices ... that Tito had been a bit of a womaniser and Mao as well.... You had one wing of the Healyites saying this is lies, lies, lies, and another wing Banda in particular, and to some extent Mitchell working out excuses. And the weirdest thing of all was Healy himself, because at one point he was saying "This is a provocation", and at another point, like a harpooned whale, he spread his hands and said, "Well, I have many friends"!

In the course of this second aggregate, Banda went completely to pieces and it was left to Cliff Slaughter to make the main speech for the CC majority. In relation to Healys sexual abuse, Slaughter quoted an extremely backward comment attributed to Lenin by Clara Zetkin, which referred to a woman with many sexual partners as a glass greased by many lips. Torrance shouted out that this was bourgeois ideology, and was flummoxed when Slaughter revealed the origin of the quotation. But she nevertheless had a point, and her dismissal of the majority as a lot of Mary Whitehouses, wrong though it was, gained some credibility.
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This is a wonderfully vivid blog describing paranoia inside a Trotskyist/Stalinist political cult where the leader has gone off the rails and was a predatory pervert.

But is has NOTHING to do with Ted Knight.
 
It was rape, not weaselly worded "The situation was not so much rape but ... sexual abuse by someone in a position of power and trust. " I remember hearing a long time ago the account of a Young Socialist who was given the job of driving Healy's car. He told her to park up, "Get in the back seat" where he raped her.
As to Knight being Healy's emissary in Labour, I don't base that on the Five Leaves article, but from what I heard from various sources, including the late Ken Weller.
 
It was rape, not weaselly worded "The situation was not so much rape but ... sexual abuse by someone in a position of power and trust. " I remember hearing a long time ago the account of a Young Socialist who was given the job of driving Healy's car. He told her to park up, "Get in the back seat" where he raped her.
As to Knight being Healy's emissary in Labour, I don't base that on the Five Leaves article, but from what I heard from various sources, including the late Ken Weller.
Ken Weller sounds an interesting character Ken Weller obituary
Were any of these people Posadists? Fourth International Posadist - Wikipedia
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From personal knowledge I can tell you Ted Knight was investigated by Lambeth Council - when in office - for corruption. The corruption involved was not rape or anything sexual - it was very low grade typically Labour contract stuff.

You ought to know that it's only Tories and fanatical Trots who go in for sex.
You average Labour politician in the 60s, 70s and 80s were into scams involving architects and building contracys - the most prominent being this guy, who even tried bribing the Chancellor of the Exchequer Reginald Maudling, much like Boris's Tories carry on today. John Poulson - Wikipedia

Where there is money to be made though city bosses usually are not far behind, so we had T Dan Smith - and very recently accusations about the former Labour Mayor of Liverpool.

Lambeth's Cheif Executive in the Ted Knight era, John George, comminssioned a report into a building/roofing firm run from Ted Knight's address by Ted's "nephew" - by which we surmise this was actually Ted Knight's (bed)partner, not a relation at all.

This firm was supposed to have received contracts to do gutter replacements etc - some of which were fictitious, but nevertheless paid for by the council Direct Works department.

This report was never debated by the council because Ted Knight issued legal threads concerning libel, and the council's official solicitor would always caution that it could not be discussed.

There were also damaging allegations aired on TV about a company called Ardmore Construction, which I think was an Irish registered company but there were allegations about its involvement with Lambeth and Ted Knight. Can't remember what - but again I think litigation followed.

This squatter magazine - evidently dated 1985 or 1986 has bit of invective https://libcom.org/files/Crowbar44.pdf
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With fans like that who needs enemies? BTW no sex allegations of any kind at that time.
 
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