scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Geoffrey Howe then Nigel Lawson. But despite that widely-known metric of having one of the same chancellors when we were at primary school, I have no idea what she means.
"Ted Heath with an Instagram account"
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Geoffrey Howe then Nigel Lawson. But despite that widely-known metric of having one of the same chancellors when we were at primary school, I have no idea what she means.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
But the quote was by her, not about her. (We since learned it was about Sunak).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Try the veal.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sunak is far further right than heath ever was
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
So much to unpack here!
First, clearly her 'joke' was that Sunak, far from being the uber-Thatcherite Chancellor, and Tory hero, Nigel Lawson of his own mind; was instead more of a Tony Barber - Heath's ill-fated Chancellor 1970-74 who lives in Tory/Thatcherite demonology for the Barber-boom and general failure (particularly over inflation) followed by two election defeats in a year (Feb and Oct 1974).
Second, this may be considered 'smart' by the sort of people who now run Labour - associating the current administration with the failed Heath government and the high inflation of the 1970s. And, bearing in mind their obsession with the pensioner vote, maybe even meaningful to anyone over the age of 60.
Third, as this was a dig that most Tory MPs would understand (particularly those of a certain age), it may have appealed to Reeves and her minders as just the kind of Parliamentary 'performance' that counts for the sort of people who think that politics is like an edition of the West Wing and part of the 'great game' at Westminster.
But of course the sad reality is that her 'joke' is completely meaningless for anyone who isn't a Parliamentary anorak, over the age of 50 or the sort of bizarre, and often sad, people who are attracted to Labour centrist politics. In the midst of the biggest cost of living crisis for decades, she offers us a bon mot about a Tory Prime Minister that left office 48 years ago and a Tory Chancellor who did the same 15 years later!
Meanwhile, the latest polls suggest more people trust the Tories with the economy than Labour, with 48% saying 'don't know' or 'neither'. Judged on this performance, who can blame them!
PS. Her abject performance (already inevitably lauded by the Guardian) brought to mind Denis Healey's famous retort to another Shadow Chancellor - 'like being savaged by a dead sheep.' Except that both Healey and his target (Geoffrey Howe) were genuinely men of stature who were quite capable of facing up to the great crises and issues of their time (whatever you may think about their politics or policies, and I opposed both).
PPS. I met Ted Heath once, but I was very pissed.
First, clearly her 'joke' was that Sunak, far from being the uber-Thatcherite Chancellor, and Tory hero, Nigel Lawson of his own mind; was instead more of a Tony Barber - Heath's ill-fated Chancellor 1970-74 who lives in Tory/Thatcherite demonology for the Barber-boom and general failure (particularly over inflation) followed by two election defeats in a year (Feb and Oct 1974).
Second, this may be considered 'smart' by the sort of people who now run Labour - associating the current administration with the failed Heath government and the high inflation of the 1970s. And, bearing in mind their obsession with the pensioner vote, maybe even meaningful to anyone over the age of 60.
Third, as this was a dig that most Tory MPs would understand (particularly those of a certain age), it may have appealed to Reeves and her minders as just the kind of Parliamentary 'performance' that counts for the sort of people who think that politics is like an edition of the West Wing and part of the 'great game' at Westminster.
But of course the sad reality is that her 'joke' is completely meaningless for anyone who isn't a Parliamentary anorak, over the age of 50 or the sort of bizarre, and often sad, people who are attracted to Labour centrist politics. In the midst of the biggest cost of living crisis for decades, she offers us a bon mot about a Tory Prime Minister that left office 48 years ago and a Tory Chancellor who did the same 15 years later!
Meanwhile, the latest polls suggest more people trust the Tories with the economy than Labour, with 48% saying 'don't know' or 'neither'. Judged on this performance, who can blame them!
PS. Her abject performance (already inevitably lauded by the Guardian) brought to mind Denis Healey's famous retort to another Shadow Chancellor - 'like being savaged by a dead sheep.' Except that both Healey and his target (Geoffrey Howe) were genuinely men of stature who were quite capable of facing up to the great crises and issues of their time (whatever you may think about their politics or policies, and I opposed both).
PPS. I met Ted Heath once, but I was very pissed.
I think Heath would be more likely to have a Grindr account if he was still about today. Or be on Twitter with a FBPE hashtag on his account
And my chancellors for the critical aged 4-10 time period were Lawson, Major, Lamont. Not one of Motown’s better songwriting teams.
And my chancellors for the critical aged 4-10 time period were Lawson, Major, Lamont. Not one of Motown’s better songwriting teams.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I'm sorry that I made you cry
Oh no, I didn't want to hurt you
I'm just a vealous guy
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Reeves too.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
For a long time I thought FBPE was a plastic polymer. I had worked out the accounts with that in their account name were twats long before I knew what it was.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What does it stand for if it's not fluorobenzene polyesterase?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Jesus fuck, I can't believe Reeves has made me feel a moment of empathy with Boris Johnson there, but I feel like his "what the fuck is this all about then?" look seems like a reasonable response to that.
Full Bastard Public Enemy, obv.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You must have. He was in The Batman.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
An 'energy crisis' was the only thing I could think of, that vaguely works. But inflation was rampant under Lawson too, at various points, so the whole thing doesn't really make sense.
well, that's me that is, but it still makes no bloody sense
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Perfect explanation.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, the heathites are worse than corbynists in shammer's mind
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
But... but... he was a really famous big band leader
Silliness aside, all I can make of this shit is that Rachel Reeves, aside from being keen to duff up the poor, thinks that Ted Heath was a rubbish Tory while Nigel Lawson was a good Tory. Not sure about the Instagram bit.
Wankers.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I think they're just excited to hear of something they know. "Instagram and Ted Heath. I'm not sure what she means but I know what they are. Brilliant."
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ok so I've now seen the full context. Setting aside the ... delivery (and Theresa May is spot on), there's no getting around the fact that she is saying that the Thatcher government was better than the Heath government. Should be making 4 million people unemployed like Howe/Lawson did. As someone said above, Heath was a bit too much of a lefty for New New Labour.
I think it's a by-product of opposition by zinger rather than actual approval for Thatcher's government. Being charitable. It's a great example of why opposition by zinger is pretty shit too.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Accidental approval for Thatcher's government is in some ways worse. How on earth can you get yourself into such a muddle that you end up accidentally praising Thatcher?
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