bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Does anyone know what will happen to her inside? Is it just a case of locking her up, and letting her out again after three years if she hasn't blotted her copybook?
Tareena Shakil - convicted of membership of Islamic State
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
ViolentPanda might be able to shed some light.
AFAIK she should be put on some de-radicalization programme, in reality the money won't be available so she'll just rot for a few years and come out bitter and angry. Go UK.
Just heard her father in a brief "exclusive" interview on LBC, outside the court I think, angrily claiming she was set-up by MI5 and 6 because she would not co-operate with them. He basically claimed that this was because she had nothing to offer them. He also claimed that 80% of witnesses failed to turn up at court, and that an appeal will surely follow.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
She was 'set up' to go to Syria? Is that what he means? 
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The judge's summing up makes no sense to me.
But she came back. She brought her son back.
That comment only makes sense if she had been caught in Syria and brought back against her will. She wasn't.
But she came back. She brought her son back.
That comment only makes sense if she had been caught in Syria and brought back against her will. She wasn't.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
This makes a bit more sense:
British woman who joined Isis is jailed for six years
As you say: but she brought him back. More from her father, who was instrumental in bringing her home, here: Tareena Shakil's father says her joining Isis was a 'mistake'
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
"Most alarmingly you took your toddler son to Syria knowing how he would be used - his future would be as an IS fighter.
"You embraced your role in providing fighters of the future. You allowed him to be photographed next to an AK47."
The pictures were used to promote further recruitment as propaganda, she herself went as a female to be able to produce a new generation for their long Islamist struggle. She aided them, but for a short time.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Play stupid games win stupid prizes and spooks play rough come to the attention of spooks and you are in the shit unless your a spook officer your an asset and assets are disposable
.A failure to cooperate when your bang to rights they are going to nail you on general principles.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, then she changed her mind. I don't see any acknowledgement of that here.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Would have got longer. But if you commit a burglary and then give up the burglary game you are still a burglar in the eyes of the law.
Clearly the judge was looking for more remorse too.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if a bloke walks into a bank in a ski mask, pulls out a shotgun and fires one barrel in to the ceiling, screams at the cashier that unless she gives him the money he's going to blow her fucking head off, and while she crying her eyes out and trying stuff £50 notes into a bag he says 'actually, don't bother, prison sounds a bit shit', do you think the bloke would, or should, get recognition for changing their mind?
she's very obviously an intelligent woman, not only did she manage to get into ISland without being pinged, but she got out again when many do not - she knew enough about IS to know what they are, and she went anyway. the house she lived in while there was stolen from someone, someone who IS either murdered or intimidated, the food she ate while their was stolen from someone, someone IS either murdered or intimidated, she took part in their propaganda and forced her son to do the same, and she actively encouraged people to join IS in order to make their oppression of the poor fuckers who have the misfortune to live under their yoke more complete, and even worse.
she deserves nothing, she is just as much a part of IS as the cunts who decapitate peple with kitchen knives or burn others alive in cages.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not a straightforward case of her doing time,and then "she's paid her debt to society". Blair-era legal changes mean that once she's done her time (if given any) she'll be put on a short leash, probably with communications restrictions and surveillance, until the intelligence people are satisfied she's not active.
More likely is they'll make at least one attempt to "turn" her. As someone who's had a lot of publicity, ISIS wouldn't let her near any prime intelligence, but even an asset just repeating chatter, is an asset that helps firm up that chatter.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
From what I've read, she came back because conditions out there were shit (she couldn't hack being bombed and living without running water) not because she had some ideological change of mind.
She took her child to eventually fight and probably die for ISIS.
Fuck her.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The sentence for membership of the IRA is usually along the same lines - four years or so. But that's for people caught as current, active members. She had left. She effectively resigned membership - IS doesn't, afaik, have formal membership processes like the IRA, so she informally joined then informally left.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I wasn't meaning to lessen it by saying that, merely being accurate - she left voluntarily. I can't find equivalents for former members of the IRA who left without directly committing any terrorist offence. I'm guessing the reason I can't find them is that they are not prosecuted.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I would guess that is because they co-operated with the British State, had they not I would imagine they could expect to be nutted pretty quickly.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i doubt it will take much to turn her, ditching IS because it was too uncomfortable is not the mark of one ideologicaly commited to them - she'll blab to get those few home comforts, and she'll probably nurse a greivance against IS for, as she'll see it, letting her down. nothing like someone nursing a greivance...
i also doubt that anyone within the IS-fanclub will trust a word she says - she is very, very alone in the world.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Tbf the provos were a lot more picky you couldnt just get on acar ferry wearing a celtic top and expect to be given an armalite
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Tbf the provos were a lot more picky you couldnt just get on acar ferry wearing a celtic top and expect to be given an armalite
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
I think IS dish out cards....
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think posing children in ways that indicate you're lining them up to become a fighter is shocking behaviour.
coley
Well-Known Member
Jailing her sends out a reallygood message to any others out there who have realised they have made a big mistake and want out.
Come back and be jailed.
Surely tagging and curtailment of freedom of movement would have been more sensible?
Being jailed for doing something stupid?
Come back and be jailed.
Surely tagging and curtailment of freedom of movement would have been more sensible?
Being jailed for doing something stupid?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
coley
Well-Known Member
I like your comparison, spot on.Yeah, people who do stupid stuff like robbing Brinks Matt should be tagged
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
imagine their surprise when instead of poppies they are expected to go into battle with things that kill people.I think posing children in ways that indicate you're lining them up to become a fighter is shocking behaviour.
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