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Make grants. Lannan is a publisher, Caipirinha a Brazillian film producer, and Wallace a general funder for left liberal research (investing in “asset activism” !) - a bit like getting dosh off the Joseph Rowntree Foundation here
I know what they are/do! I was asking why you said 'they have some great writers there, well worth reading' because wasn't sure if you were making some other point based on misreading what i had said - maybe thinking i was referring to mondoweiss or something.
 
Somebody posted a link to the CERSC's 990-FF for 2016 (IRS thingy) on Leftist Trainspotters.

I won't pretend to know that I can make hide nor tail of it, but I could make out that three members of the old ISO leadership - Ahmed S., Sharon S. and Paul D. - who got voted out and then resigned from the ISO were salaried employees of CERSC according to the 990-FF.

I wonder if they're still in those paid positions in 2019?
not according to a Haymarket post from a couple of weeks ago (there's a comment obliquely but clearly relating to the impending dissolution, signed by The Staff and a list of names, which doesnt include either of those two)
 
I know what they are/do! I was asking why you said 'they have some great writers there, well worth reading' because wasn't sure if you were making some other point based on misreading what i had said - maybe thinking i was referring to mondoweiss or something.
they don't write the books. So I'm not sure what the point of referencing them is? Haymarket put out a lot of really good books, and other materials. Didn't realise mondoweiss was them, but they're always well worth reading too.
 
not according to a Haymarket post from a couple of weeks ago (there's a comment obliquely but clearly relating to the impending dissolution, signed by The Staff and a list of names, which doesnt include either of those two)
Says the CERSC board has been replaced, although it doesn't name the new members. Employment by the CERSC presumably isn't the same as employment by Haymarket.


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they don't write the books. So I'm not sure what the point of referencing them is? Haymarket put out a lot of really good books, and other materials. Didn't realise mondoweiss was them, but they're always well worth reading too.
Imposs asked who owns Haymarket, it turns out to be the CERSC and i linked to what are the main funders of the haymarket component of the project and said if people were looking for dirt - sectarian or otherwise - that this is where i would look. You replied to this bit specifically saying they have some great writers. I was trying to clarify what you meant - whether you had misread me somehow attacking haymarket or mondoweiss - as to say that the funders have some great writers doesn't seem to make much sense - and missed that this potential ghastliness referred specifically to the funders.
 
Says the CERSC board has been replaced, although it doesn't name the new members. Employment by the CERSC presumably isn't the same as employment by Haymarket.
I bet budgen is on the new board. Although, there' may be some stipulation for the charity recognition that foreign/not in the country types aren't allowed.
 
Imposs asked who owns Haymarket, it turns out to be the CERSC and i linked to what are the main funders of the haymarket component of the project and said if people were looking for dirt - sectarian or otherwise - that this is where i would look. You replied to this bit specifically saying they have some great writers. I was trying to clarify what you meant - whether you had misread me somehow attacking haymarket or mondoweiss - as to say that the funders have some great writers doesn't seem to make much sense - and missed that this potential ghastliness referred specifically to the funders.
no, I got that. I'm just not clear why they are ghastly.
 
Says the CERSC board has been replaced, although it doesn't name the new members. Employment by the CERSC presumably isn't the same as employment by Haymarket.
true, good point. The 'full support and allegiance' bit is fairly clear which side they were on, though.

(I doubt Budgen will be, just cos he's in the wrong country. Unless he's moved)
 
no, I got that. I'm just not clear why they are ghastly.
I didn't say they were! I was suggesting if those sniffing around their bins looking for stuff to tar haymarket with do come up with anything it would most likely come from there.

And to be clear, you were saying the funders have some great writers - not haymarket?
 
I didn't say they were! I was suggesting if those sniffing around their bins looking for stuff to tar haymarket with do come up with anything it would most likely come from there.

And to be clear, you were saying the funders have some great writers - not haymarket?
That'll be pretty weak, though, wont it?

And no! Haymarket have some great writers. Caipirinha sound like they do some interesting stuff, but I've never seen any.
 
I suppose on the one hand it's quite refreshing to see a group just wind up, and I'm certainly not aware the ISO were doing anything particularly useful, but am I right in thinking Something Bad happened and that this was covered up/hidden for about 6 years? Seems like quite a lot of people must have known about that.
 
I didn't say they were! I was suggesting if those sniffing around their bins looking for stuff to tar haymarket with do come up with anything it would most likely come from there.

And to be clear, you were saying the funders have some great writers - not haymarket?

Well, it is a fact that the a number of the leading members of the ISO who covered up the rape allegation in 2013 were the same people who were heading up Haymarket up to - at least - 2016, so it's hardly "sniffing around their bins".

With regards to your previous link, I didn't realise that both ISR and the Annual Socialism conference in Chicago were both under the umbrella of CERSC. I presumed (wrongly) that both were under the control of the ISO itself. So, am I right to assume that at some point in the past the ISO leadership decided to separate/detach the ISR, Socialism Conference and Haymarket away from the ISO itself (and possible democratic accountability) whilst, at the same time, retaining control of the CERSC?

So, in effect, the ISO organisation was nothing more than little helpers to sell the magazine, sell the books published by Haymarket and get the punters along to the marquee event in Chicago each year to buy said books and magazine.
 
Well, it is a fact that the a number of the leading members of the ISO who covered up the rape allegation in 2013 were the same people who were heading up Haymarket up to - at least - 2016, so it's hardly "sniffing around their bins".

With regards to your previous link, I didn't realise that both ISR and the Annual Socialism conference in Chicago were both under the umbrella of CERSC. I presumed (wrongly) that both were under the control of the ISO itself. So, am I right to assume that at some point in the past the ISO leadership decided to separate/detach the ISR, Socialism Conference and Haymarket away from the ISO itself (and possible democratic accountability) whilst, at the same time, retaining control of the CERSC?

So, in effect, the ISO organisation was nothing more than little helpers to sell the magazine, sell the books published by Haymarket and get the punters along to the marquee event in Chicago each year to buy said books and magazine.
ISO published and sold Socialist Worker. The other things were meant be more 'broad based' and independent. Not that weird. Though I am surprised the Socialism events weren't ISO, I think they used to be.
 
ISO published and sold Socialist Worker. The other things were meant be more 'broad based' and independent. Not that weird. Though I am surprised the Socialism events weren't ISO, I think they used to be.

Have a look at the ISR's editorial board on their website. It doesn't look that broad based to me. Looks like a list of - what were up until a few weeks ago - leading ISO members.

I'm not shit stirring. I'm genuinely curious about what were the inner workings of the ISO.

Isn't this kind of similar to the fallout from leading members leaving the British SWP and the Comrade Delta case a few years back? During all the drama it was revealed that certain SWP assets had been hived off to a limited company years previously? I'm relying on a fading memory, so apologies if I've forgotten stuff in the mix.
 
Have a look at the ISR's editorial board on their website. It doesn't look that broad based to me. Looks like a list of - what were up until a few weeks ago - leading ISO members.

I'm not shit stirring. I'm genuinely curious about what were the inner workings of the ISO.

Isn't this kind of similar to the fallout from leading members leaving the British SWP and the Comrade Delta case a few years back? During all the drama it was revealed that certain SWP assets had been hived off to a limited company years previously? I'm relying on a fading memory, so apologies if I've forgotten stuff in the mix.
It overwhelmingly is ISO, yes. Not all attempts at being broad based are successful! I don't really know any particular reasons for separation of entities, though there can be solid financial reasons for doing so, in the UK at least. There are usually interesting devolution of assets after such splits, SWP UK was unusual in that there weren't, really. I think the tussle over Trostky's Death Mask is still going on from the WRP's collapse tho
 
The twitter account ISO Leaks is posting a lot of documents relating to this dissolution.

Media Tweets by ISO Leaks (@isoleakss) on Twitter

Some of the links are to documents which have been posted on Scribd, including a partly redacted copy of the letter from a former member which acted as a catalyst for the ISO to wind itself up. The document itself can't be downloaded and may not be accessible to everybody so I've made a pdf of it available here.

It's an account of the 2013 National Disciplinary Committee whose conclusions about a member accused of rape were overturned and buried by the ISO's leadership. That Disciplinary Committee had been set up as a direct result of the SWP/Comrade Delta affair. As an example of 'lessons learned' it is quite astonishing. ETA: it is very grim reading.
 
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Re-instate Lee Humber !
Anyone aware of this circus ?
SWP/Ruskin College Held 'Mass Rally' Today In Support For Lecturer Lee Humber; suspended after 'their' branch took a vote of No Confidence in the Principal of the college!

There was a counter rally by students to get rid of Lee; some talking about aggressive and intimidating actions and nature of Lee and possibility & alleged accusations of sexual and physical harassment of by another member of staff there who is also a long term SWP member !

This is after Trade Union Department lecturers lost their jobs and courses 'changed' and closed down with very little support and some would say 'stabbing in the back' by SWP members in Ruskin College UCU branch, of their fellow colleagues some whom close to sycophantically backed all SWP front organisations; one being treasurer of Oxford UAF.

Ruskin Fellowship for over 15yrs implemented & enabled with others, the SWP to build power base and control of certain departments at the college after many respected credible and 'learned' heads of department either died retired and/or moved on: NEVER MIND THE QUALITY FEEL THE WIDTH.
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Re-instate Lee Humber !
Anyone aware of this circus ?
SWP/Ruskin College Held 'Mass Rally' Today In Support For Lecturer Lee Humber; suspended after 'their' branch took a vote of No Confidence in the Principal of the college!

There was a counter rally by students to get rid of Lee; some talking about aggressive and intimidating actions and nature of Lee and possibility & alleged accusations of sexual and physical harassment of by another member of staff there who is also a long term SWP member !

This is after Trade Union Department lecturers lost their jobs and courses 'changed' and closed down with very little support and some would say 'stabbing in the back' by SWP members in Ruskin College UCU branch, of their fellow colleagues some whom close to sycophantically backed all SWP front organisations; one being treasurer of Oxford UAF.

Ruskin Fellowship for over 15yrs implemented & enabled with others, the SWP to build power base and control of certain departments at the college after many respected credible and 'learned' heads of department either died retired and/or moved on: NEVER MIND THE QUALITY FEEL THE WIDTH.
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Do you know something about this or just speculating? I'm in UCU and we're being asked for support.
 
Do you know something about this or just speculating? I'm in UCU and we're being asked for support.
I'm not saying not to support of opposition to action against Lee, this is backed locally and nationally, by both branches of UCU locally, trades council (of which Ruskin/SWP UCU with some sectarianism, if not hostility is not affiliated to), regionally by at least UNITE, UNISON, PCS & more than likely by the end of the week GMB & Nationally not only by trade unions but other groups and bodies in and around the Labour Movement; e.g. LRC.

However the sectarian, aggressive, unfraternal, close to cronyist and in many ways farcical manor the SWP have behaved both as a group and individually in and around this issue doesn't help.
I've never seen a 'Rally', Demo or picket line in/or around an educational facility where Trade Union and supporters are campaigning to re-instate and/or end suspension of a lecturer or member of staff with elements of students and possibly staff organising to counter this.
 
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I'm not saying not to support of opposition to action against Lee, this is backed locally and nationally, by both branches of UCU locally, trades council (of which Ruskin/SWP UCU with some sectarianism, if not hostility is not affiliated to), regionally by at least UNITE, UNISON, PCS & more than likely by the end of the week GMB & Nationally not only by trade unions but other groups and bodies in and around the Labour Movement; e.g. LRC.

However the sectarian, aggressive, unfraternal, close to cronyist and in many ways farcical manor the SWP have behaved both as a group and individually in and around this issue doesn't help.
I've never seen a 'Rally', Demo or picket line in/or around an educational facility where Trade Union and supporters are campaigning to re-instate and/or end suspension of a lecturer or member of staff with elements of students and possibly staff organising to counter this.

But are you saying he's been accused of sexual harrassment and that's why he's been suspended?
 
But are you saying he's been accused of sexual harrassment and that's why he's been suspended?
No, that is not what i am saying; accusations of alleged sexual harassment were apparently made against another member of staff at Ruskin College who is also a member of SWP.
In cronyistic fashion there are about four possibly five there.
Apologies if I didn't make this clearer.
 
The SWP/Ruskin College branch of UCU threatened Libel Action against Oxford Mail's original article on the subject at hand, of which they capitulated. However the article in Oxford Times gives some understanding.
Rival rallies at Ruskin College over tutor Dr Humber's suspension
Rival rallies at Ruskin College over tutor Dr Humber's suspension

An article I read earlier quoted a student regarding the allegations against Humber. This now Is not included in the articles in your above tweet. Presumably that’s what the SWP sought to have removed?
 
An article I read earlier quoted a student regarding the allegations against Humber. This now Is not included in the articles in your above tweet. Presumably that’s what the SWP sought to have removed?
Lee spoke at trades council meeting last night and on areas of disciplinary s, accusations of harassment & meetings he didn't attend was relatively Sketchy; he did mention a confrontation with a student where he was allegedly 'asked outside' presumably if he did so for some sort of physical confrontation: The student was expelled accordingly.

He was also very sheepish, if not passive/aggressive about their, what can be seen as stitch up of their fellow colleagues and threats of legal action against members of Oxford Trade Council.
 
Lee spoke at trades council meeting last night and on areas of disciplinary s, accusations of harassment & meetings he didn't attend was relatively Sketchy; he did mention a confrontation with a student where he was allegedly 'asked outside' presumably if he did so for some sort of physical confrontation: The student was expelled accordingly.

He was also very sheepish, if not passive/aggressive about their, what can be seen as stitch up of their fellow colleagues and threats of legal action against members of Oxford Trade Council.

I wish you would say what you meant. You know this is important right?

If I've understood properly, you're saying that:

- A student accused Lee of bullying and harrassing behaviour
- Another student tried to fight him and was expelled
- You mentioned sexual harrassment, but not for any reason, because someone else was accused of sexual harrassment and this has no bearing on this case.
-You're accusing the UCU branch of stitching people up but you won't say what you mean

Have I got that right?
 
I wish you would say what you meant. You know this is important right?

If I've understood properly, you're saying that:

- A student accused Lee of bullying and harrassing behaviour
- Another student tried to fight him and was expelled
- You mentioned sexual harrassment, but not for any reason, because someone else was accused of sexual harrassment and this has no bearing on this case.
-You're accusing the UCU branch of stitching people up but you won't say what you mean

Have I got that right?
That's about right !
I'll pm you contact details of people who were are more closely involved and have more details if you want.
 
That's about right !
I'll pm you contact details of people who were are more closely involved and have more details if you want.
Although the accusation of alleged physical & sexual assault is relevant as person accused is leading figure in Lee Humber's campaign, works at the college and long term member of SWP.

And the case of SWP/Ruskin UCU stitching up previous colleagues, is pretty well known, Tracy Walsh et al, long term members of staff, members of fellowship, some on Oxford Trades Council among others have been very vociferous about this, leading to her partner Kieran directly confronting at meeting leading members of SWP Central Committee, who were in his terms relatively dismissive of the cases at hand and more interested in their own opportunistic interests.
 
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SWP out in numbers(well visible placards anyway) at the LGBT protests at the Dorchester, along with the Tatch, no sign of them in Birmingham though.
 
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