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frogwoman said:
Proletarian Democracy and Anti Pacifist Action joint statement on Usama Hasan and the SWP

Comrades,

Proletarian Democracy applaud the SWP's stance of solidarity against the pacifist anti-worker running dog Usama Husan and his lack of condemnation for the Jesus and Mo cartoon. Such a shameful display of non confrontational sentiment can only delay the inevitable countdown towards the detonation of the Worker's Bomb. Despite their Cliffite deviations the SWP have proved themselves more genuine Marxists than many on the so-called 'left' such as the Provisional Committee for the Bright Dawn of Proletarian Democracy, the IWBA, and many former comrades who have through backwardness and never fully understanding our Marxist programme, departed from our ranks and found themselves becoming sects on the fringes of the labour movement.

We applaud the SWP's stance. however, we as Posadists committed to the detonation of our bomb must go further. We take this opportunity now to announce a solidarity demo with the Christian Union at Bristol Union against the Archbishop of Canterbury after he said that maybe it might not be such a bad idea for women to be bishops. And we are corresponding with the Israel Society at Doncaster University who have asked us to stand with us in solidarity with them against Rabbi Sternberg and his failure to condemn another rabbi and his pacifist message that sometimes the Palestinians may not be so bad after all. The Burmese branch of Proletarian Democracy is organizing a solidarity demonstration with oppressed workers furious at their local monks not being sufficiently enraged about jokes about the Buddha.

such actions prove that we, Proletarian Democracy, go further than the SWP. Through our support of militant religious activists we are building a bottom up network against pacifism which will put our party in the forefront of the struggle for total nuclear annihilation and the rebuilding of a new socialist world!
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you have way too much time on your hands :D
 
SpackleFrog said:
Yeah. It was like a cartoon. She spoke entirely in cliche.
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"A battle plan for building resistance and the revolutionary party . . . We want to continue the good start we have made in the colleges and universities. It’s exciting to see a resurgence of struggle among students—and we want to be at the heart of this. But we also need to continue our emphasis on ideological meetings and putting forward a clear socialist analysis." (Cde. Chaplin, 'Conf. Report', SW, 17 December 2013, my emphases).
http://socialistworker.co.uk/art/37111/SWP conference discusses the way forward for the left

Welcome to hectoring pseudo-Maoist interventions by the interventionist party. (Although only outsiders intervene: those organically inside simply participate as a matter of course.) If this is indeed the UCU (Spiney), it seems what's good enuf for the studes is good enuf for the teachers: the SWP has found out how to teach the teachers. Progress is building on progress. The future is ours.

Added: the need for an educative/ideological offensive amongst the SWP membership was pushed in the pre-conf. bulletins in pieces by the CC & by members. Guess some are already practising outside the group what will become institutionalised within as the study circle, filling up the last available slot in the week's phrenetic activity.
 
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I think it is certainly true that Quilliam are a very iffy organisation , their big funding from the Home Office and Foreign Office and the military and political links of a number of their (now former) staff and with very right wing outfits like the Henry Jackson Society are very dubious. Their Tommy Robinson stunt is really irresponsible. But Maajid Nawaz is principally being attacked for tweeting the "Jesus and Mo" cartoon - that is what the protests are about. And in this case the protestors are wrong. I can't see any excuse for anyone on the left joining these reactionary protests.
 
Scribbling S said:
I think it is certainly true that Quilliam are a very iffy organisation , their big funding from the Home Office and Foreign Office and the military and political links of a number of their (now former) staff and with very right wing outfits like the Henry Jackson Society are very dubious. Their Tommy Robinson stunt is really irresponsible. But Maajid Nawaz is principally being attacked for tweeting the "Jesus and Mo" cartoon - that is what the protests are about. And in this case the protestors are wrong. I can't see any excuse for anyone on the left joining these reactionary protests.
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This is what I think as well. The most worrying stuff about Quilliam is their legitimisation of Western foreign policy, but the same could really be said for any number of think tanks and political groups that spend time in British universities. What I think is particularly telling is the fact that every single year there are multiple Islamist speakers in the majority of British universities whose views on women, gays, non-Muslims generally and Jews in particular are very worrying. What do we hear from the NUS on that? Where are the SWP to protest outside the lectures of speakers who tell women that they have no right to attend mixed gender classes?

Maybe if moderate Muslims and other groups like Quilliam received a bit more help and solidarity from left leaning groups then there wouldn't be a vacuum for dodgy types like the Henry Jackson Society to fill?
 
Nigel Irritable said:
Why would anyone "left leaning" give "help and solidarity" to "groups like Quilliam"? Fuck them quite frankly.
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I don't mean specifically Quilliam, I mean when moderate Muslims are attacked by Islamists why are groups like the SWP supporting the Islamists? Do you think that it's the left's job to help Islamists enforce their perception of blasphemy on moderate Muslims?

Owen Jones spoke out against enforced gender segregation, stuff like that. It's not complicated.
 
J Ed said:
I don't mean specifically Quilliam, I mean when moderate Muslims are attacked by Islamists why are groups like the SWP supporting the Islamists? Do you think that it's the left's job to help Islamists enforce their perception of blasphemy on moderate Muslims?

Owen Jones spoke out against enforced gender segregation, stuff like that. It's not complicated.
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Well you specifically said Quilliam. So who did you mean? What "moderate Muslims" are we talking about here, who is attacking them and what are you suggesting "the left" should do about it?

Just to be clear, my starting point is that British political Islamism is completely irrelevant, while Islamophobic racism is a significant political issue.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
Well you specifically said Quilliam. So who did you mean? What "moderate Muslims" are we talking about here, who is attacking them and what are you suggesting "the left" should do about it?
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Well go back to what we are talking about. Usama Husan faced a protest and calls for his talk to be cancelled because he is a member of an organisation in which a member, who is Muslim, tweeted a pretty innocuous cartoon. That Muslim, Maajid Nawaz, has faced death threats and a political campaign has been waged against him to get him deselected as a PPC.

At the very, very least it makes no sense for the left to intervene ON THE SIDE of the bigots who are trying to enforce their interpretation of Islam on other Muslims, which is what happened in Plymouth.

I would agree that Islamophobic racism is an issue that in terms of importance outweighs the attacks on moderate Muslims by a minority of bigots but the cool thing is that you can be against both.
 
J Ed said:
Well go back to what we are talking about. Usama Husan faced a protest and calls for his talk to be cancelled because he is a member of an organisation in which a member, who is Muslim, tweeted a pretty innocuous cartoon. That Muslim, Maajid Nawaz, has faced death threats and a political campaign has been waged against him to get him deselected as a PPC.
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Trivia.

Maajid Nawaz is a cock, Quilliam stink to high heaven and the people protesting are irrelevant. As for why a handful of leftists turned up to the protest, I don't really give a shit. If I did, I'd ask them before getting grouchy about it, but I can't even muster that level of interest.
 
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Nigel Irritable said:
Trivia.

Maajid Nawaz is a cock, Quilliam stink to high heaven and the people protesting are irrelevant. As for why a handful of leftists turned up to the protest, I don't really give a shit. If I did, I'd ask them before getting grouchy about it, but I can't even muster that level of interest.
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bullshit, what are leftists doing siding with islamist shits over cartoons, play the "Islamists are irrelevant here card" all you want but that only further begs the questions as to what socialists are doing caught up in their twisted campaigns.

Ica imagine this shit from the SWP they are clowns but SP members involving themselves I find odd.
 
You must have a copy of a Haymarket book, those nice ones out of Chicago, named in memory & in honour of those non-Islamic martyrs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_martyrs

Socialists & anarchists are notorious for ignoring financial matters, esp. about their own organisations. But some in the ISO, the SWP's former cdes. in the US, have been asking questions about money & control:
http://externalbulletin.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/questions-and-concerns-about-the-iso-and-cersc/

Makes one wonder about our own organisations - transparency, accountability, control, informed discussion on matters pecuniary.
 
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If what is published in that bulletin is true, then it's another indication that there is no difference at all between the most obscene of Trotskyite cults, the Healyites and, what those of us who were members truly believed, the healthiest, the Cliffites.
Healy's gross sexual predation of young comrades, and the complicity of much of the WRP in his crimes has been matched by the Delta case and the support he received from the party machine.
Seymour has made little secret of his admiration of the ISO, given their business practice appears akin to that of David North, could it be that he will become the new Barbara Slaughter?
 
barney_pig said:
If what is published in that bulletin is true, then it's another indication that there is no difference at all between the most obscene of Trotskyite cults, the Healyites and, what those of us who were members truly believed, the healthiest, the Cliffites.
Healy's gross sexual predation of young comrades, and the complicity of much of the WRP in his crimes has been matched by the Delta case and the support he received from the party machine.
Seymour has made little secret of his admiration of the ISO, given their business practice appears akin to that of David North, could it be that he will become the new Barbara Slaughter?
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good points, barney p.

Obviously questions can be asked of all organisations, but this is ostensibly a SWP thread so I may as well stay on theme in asking basic questions of the teachers letting the class, & humble SWP members, know what is going on, day after day.

Simply, when was the last time the SWP's Party Council or National Cttee discussed a quarterly or annual financial report? Likewise an annual audit (either internal or external) of the comings & goings? How often is this done by the Collective & Cumulative Intelligence (CCI) meeting as the Central Cttee? When was the last time a humble member, in no position within the Party, ever received the minutes of their CC or a report of what has happened to the money they have given the Party?

Analogous to Haymarket Books (the SWP doesn't have something like the ISO's Center for Economic Research and Social Change), when was the last time either a humble SWP member or an accountable body of the SWP ever received a regular (or occasional) financial report about Bookmarks? Likewise seen a specimen of a standard employment contract for a Bookmarks' worker? Or an agreement, verbal or written, for a volunteer? What union recognition is there? Is there annual collective bargaining? If not, why not? How is Bookmarks accountable to the SWP - or isn't it? Could a humble SWP member answer this question if someone in the class asked them?

The same can be said about district organisers & workers at Delta Towers: where's the transparency, the accountability? If a humble member isn't told then that member is left disarmed by the controllers whenever anyone asks them about transparency & accountability concerning the SWP. Why would anyone consider joining such an opaque organisation, one that has decided not to tell members what goes on financially - & politically, as CC minutes may be taken for CC members but, heaven forbid, not for the Joanna-average member, oh no?

Or have these financial downloads from the Party mainframe simply got mixed up with the membership records, with all that paperwork being uploaded, rising into SWP Fantasy Cloud Land?

January Party Notes also showed that, as if from out of the blue (or Bolshie red), 40 grand or so flooded into Delta Towers in the space of a week or so to overfill the 130 grand Grand Appeal.

Maybe Bolshie or another interested party can demonstrate to the class that the teachers don't just keep all these things in the staff room but that they're not locked up in the headmaster's office along with the 'persuaders'. The class needs to know coz we need to be able to trust each organisation that aspires to lead us in a socialist revolution.

Let the last word be with Top Cat, who in 1960 obviously felt the cream should be shared about: http://marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1960/xx/trotsub.htm (presumably no pun - or double pun - intended by MIA)
 
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