SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's actually quite surprising that they got a paper produced this quickly, given that they are a small, new, local group. I wonder how many pages it has and if it's intended to be a regular publication or just a stop gap until a national org gets going (the ex faction meeting is soon I think)
It does seem pretty odd for a new organisation in 2014 to produce a print paper before putting up a website. Do they have one?
It does seem pretty odd for a new organisation in 2014 to produce a print paper before putting up a website. Do they have one?
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I like that Ian Bone has used the swappie version and just cropped their name offSaw an SWP poster earlier with the same headline. I know there are only so many to go around but...bit of a coincidence?
http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/blame-the-etonians/
ska invita
back on the other side
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emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
It is quite surprising, but while it is hard to tell from the photo I would guess it is one sheet folded in half, so 4 pages. So not to hard to get a few dozen printed up.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It can be trickier than you'd think getting very small runs of a paper printed, simply because it's not worth a printing firm's time. I'd suspect that they will have had to get a lot more printed than they could dream of shifting (although they may be distributing them free).
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
They would, but who's buying?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It seems pretty well-produced, albeit in a very dated, cliched format. But nicely laid out, nice masthead etc. somebody knew what they doing. They may well have access to the kit/contacts to do it.
I've managed in the past to get fellow travelling printers to run off relatively small runs of publications no problem.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
True, but it is possible somebody with a decent printer could knock them out themselves. I would guess it is a monthly as well, or even a one-off
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
A couple of A4 sheets folded together isn't really a newspaper, is it?
Mustn't grumble
Member
the kent paper puzzle is answered in an IB for one of the 2013 conferences: swp in the county has a small printshop for leaflets, broadsheets, etc.
guess it's not just members leaving the swp
guess it's not just members leaving the swp
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
In this world a single double sided A4 counts so long as you have the correct slogans and raise the correct demands on any regular basis.
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
So Revolutionary Socialism in the 21st Century is the name of the new group founded by the SWP oppos who've left after the last conference:
https://www.facebook.com/neil.rogall
Apparently, about 130 people were at the meeting and there was a debate around several names: Rs21, International Socialists, Revolutionary Socialists, Socialism from Below (my favourite).
https://www.facebook.com/neil.rogall
Apparently, about 130 people were at the meeting and there was a debate around several names: Rs21, International Socialists, Revolutionary Socialists, Socialism from Below (my favourite).
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
There were a few thousand suggested on this thread. Take your pick.
eta: admittedly, most of them weren't "decent".
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Delighted to hear that Colin Barker was at the founding of Revolutionary Socialism. I was wondering what had happened to him. Or have I missed a resignation letter?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It will be interesting to see if they end up being more stable and coherent than the ISN. On the one hand, they generally represent a more "conservative" wing of the SWP opposition, which may result in a more recognisably SWPish organisation. On the other hand, they face the same problem that once clear of the SWP, members will likely be traveling in different directions.
I firmly believe Proletarian Democracy should adopt this position.
benedict
Well-Known Member
Nice. Something the man/woman on the street can immediately identify with. Why don't more left groups have a century-locating suffix?
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
sounds a bit Mao'ish to me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I think it'd be almost impossible for them not to be.
I think his name was on the opposition resignation statement but it just says Colin not Colin Barker. Ewa Barker signed it.
Scribbling S
Active Member
I think good luck to them, definitely some good people trying to do the right thing in there. But a terrible name "In the 21st Century" is a tautology - we are all in the 21st Century, and don't feel the need to run around reminding eachother. So the fact they feel the need to emphasise it suggests they worry that they really are, like,so last century. And the "Revolutionary Socialism" sounds (a) pretentious (they are a long way from having a revolution) and (b) designed to put people off, unless they have already decided they are "revolutionary", so automatically thinking about appealing to a small group. "Socialism from Below" a much better name.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
From Below is better. SRB is such a cliched split group name.
Mustn't grumble
Member
prol dem down & let's get started!
Mustn't grumble
Member
blak background pages do me ead in. (Is that what a blak site is?)But likely not Moving in Several Directions At Once!
benedict
Well-Known Member
Does a bit. I totally agree with Scribbing S on the name. It's an absurd in-group cliche.
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