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SWP expulsions and squabbles
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discokermit
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yeh, anti teacher rants in sw. lol!
discokermit
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frontline of oppression.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
'soft' cops
discokermit
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to add a bit of colour, imagine the football/revolutionary defeatism argument being carried out with a red faced angry public school educated college lecturer screaming about you "wearing the butchers apron" in your face.
since joining this board, that phrase makes me lol.
since joining this board, that phrase makes me lol.
discokermit
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not at my school.
J Ed
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Want to expand on that?
discokermit
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or what? you gonna gimme detention?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
we don't need no fort controoool
SpineyNorman
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Because he was shit at sports and the games teacher took the piss, leading to crushing feelings of inferiority that led him to take it out on teachers as a whole rather than having a critique of that specific teacher?
discokermit
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a.t.a.b.
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
I know that in theory teachers are part of the revolutionary class ... but my there are some horribly cruel and authoritarian creatures among them. Sufficient, that I have no remorse for my part in mocking one of our teachers nicknamed 'Dog Face'. He wasn't the worst, but we used to bark (at a safe distance) at him, by way of reference to his beard-covered jowls. One of us found out his birthday and on that day he arrived at the top desk to find a present wrapped up for him and 'Happy Birthday' written on the blackboard. '4D,' he said, 'I know we've had our differences. But this act of kindness more than makes up for it.' He unwrapped his present: to reveal a can of dog food.
imposs1904
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What kind of put me off the Labour Left as a kid first getting interested in politics in the mid-80s - and this was when there was still a serious Labour Left - was to discover that some of more authoritarian wankers masquerading as teachers in my school were Labour Left types in the local Labour Party. And it wasn't even the case that it was that sort of school where teaching was 40% instruction to 60% riot control. It was just a bog standard comp in a 'new town' in the Home Counties.
J Ed
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There is something very Malcom Harris about the thread all of a sudden
Che vive.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Fuck off Dwyer, even the most craven loyalist in the swp towers above you, you trollish soft fascist scumbucket.
BK Double Stack
Reconstructed Marcyite
Didn't the meeting of the recently departed happen this past weekend? Any news?
This weekend coming.
You mean 'the coming weekend'?
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
Meanwhile over at the TUC: http://whatswrongatthetuc.wordpress.com/
Sounds like the TUC is a pretty horrific place to work if you're not one of the in crowd.
It's worth reminding ourselves on the further left that for all the horror of what's gone in the SWP, those in the trade unions or the Labour Party (I'm looking at you articul8 ) are in no position to take the moral high ground. There's no doubt in my mind that what's gone on in the SWP has happened in some form or another at some stage in the upper reaches of the trade unions or the Labour Party.
That doesn't excuse any wrong doing in our own organisations of course, nor does it mean we can be complacent about this issue. But it does show that what happened in the SWP isn't a result of 'Leninism' or peculiar to the far left. The outworkings of the SWP crisis are the manifestation of general social problems (bullying, harassment, sexual assault etc) in the context of a 'Leninist' organisation, which is what gives the situation it's own particular peculiarities.
Sounds like the TUC is a pretty horrific place to work if you're not one of the in crowd.
It's worth reminding ourselves on the further left that for all the horror of what's gone in the SWP, those in the trade unions or the Labour Party (I'm looking at you articul8 ) are in no position to take the moral high ground. There's no doubt in my mind that what's gone on in the SWP has happened in some form or another at some stage in the upper reaches of the trade unions or the Labour Party.
That doesn't excuse any wrong doing in our own organisations of course, nor does it mean we can be complacent about this issue. But it does show that what happened in the SWP isn't a result of 'Leninism' or peculiar to the far left. The outworkings of the SWP crisis are the manifestation of general social problems (bullying, harassment, sexual assault etc) in the context of a 'Leninist' organisation, which is what gives the situation it's own particular peculiarities.
leyton96
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Dunno. I suspect it's the same bureaucratic play as the SWP CC trying to stop and then delay the second hearing into sexual harassment by Delta.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Leninist organisations seem prone to this kind of stuff though (eg. Gerry Healey - even your own organisation has seen someone resign after alleging a sexual assault from a leading TU comrade).
IF similar revelations emerge about the leadership of the Labour or the unions I'd want it fully and properly investigated. Same with the leadership of the LRC.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I'd go further I think the fact that the SWP has torn itself apart over the issue is to the credit of the far left.
You can't compare an employer forcing out workers they don't like to a small political organisation covering up rape and sexual assault by one of its top leaders for two years.
They are not published. they have been sat on by the TUC who have tried to cover them up. They lost their IIP status over internal bullying and harassment and have been hounding people who complain out of jobs.
cesare
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Are you the author of that blog?
leyton96
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I'm not directly comparing the two. Each case has it's own peculiarities. What I'm saying is that similar dynamics are at play in the Labour Party and the upper echelons of the trade unions. There was the case of the NAPO General Secretary that was mentioned further up the thread. In NAPO's case that was handled a lot better than the SWP.
However mysterious payments to people who disappear from the scene abruptly are not at all unheard of within the trade union movement. This generally indicates people are being paid to go away quietly, be they victim or perp.
As I've said previously, these are social problems that manifest themsleves in all sorts of organisations and situations. To deny bullying, harassment and inappropriate behavior has never happened in the Labour Party seems to me to be the same sort of denialism that afflicted the SWP.
However mysterious payments to people who disappear from the scene abruptly are not at all unheard of within the trade union movement. This generally indicates people are being paid to go away quietly, be they victim or perp.
As I've said previously, these are social problems that manifest themsleves in all sorts of organisations and situations. To deny bullying, harassment and inappropriate behavior has never happened in the Labour Party seems to me to be the same sort of denialism that afflicted the SWP.
leyton96
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You just did by making the ridiculous statement that 'Lenninst' organisations are particularly prone to these issues. Just off the top of my head I can think of the issues of sexual assault at the Occupy camps in New York and Glasgow. That's about as far away from a 'Leninist' model of organisation as you can get.
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