SWP expulsions and squabbles

[TremulousTetra]

From a personal pov, I'm very relieved to see Colin Barker's name attached to something critical. Not sure it will make any difference to the politics of the SWP, but I feel a little less mad.

Why?

 

[leyton96]

That's an interesting aside, given that the SP now seems to have a reasonable cross section of ages represented (at least where ever I've seen) what would you say they did to address that?

Ground it out mostly. Lots of emphasis on branches doing work on universities and colleges. The anti-war movement helped a lot as well. That was when the the first big wave of sustained youth recruitment came into the party.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Ground it out mostly. Lots of emphasis on branches doing work on universities and colleges. The anti-war movement helped a lot as well. That was when the the first big wave of sustained youth recruitment came into the party.

cheers

 

[TremulousTetra]

Ground it out mostly. Lots of emphasis on branches doing work on universities and colleges. The anti-war movement helped a lot as well. That was when the the first big wave of sustained youth recruitment came into the party.

Doh! A middle class party then.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

That's an interesting aside, given that the SP now seems to have a reasonable cross section of ages represented (at least where ever I've seen) what would you say they did to address that?

There was no quick solution. Basically they were aware of the problem and put a lot of emphasis on encouraging the few young people they did have. They also oriented towards "youthy" stuff, sometimes in a slightly stumbling way. Going from very few young people to few young people was the hardest bit. After that, each step forward got easier. Now the SP has lots of young members, but there's still a bit of a missing cohort of people who weren't recruited or retained in the 90s.

That was a difficult process. It would be much harder under the conditions the SWP face.

(I should also say that the SP has enough of a spread that what may be a general trend isn't going to be equally reflected everywhere. In particular London, where there is much more competition for recruits and where Militant was always relatively weak, probably had the problem in its most exaggerated form.)

Edited to add: beaten to it.

 

[Red Cat]

Why?

Why what?

 

[TremulousTetra]

i ask again, how did diana benefit from her being oppressed as a woman?

in what concrete ways would you say she benefited from being oppressed.

I never said Princess Diana was an oppressed, you did, so so explain how.

 

[Red Cat]

most, if not all, where members of the opposition before the special conf, some before the 1st conf.

I'd forgotten about that (not been properly following). I was thinking that it was younger members who I don't know/have never heard of.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Why what?

Just asking WHY you are relieved to see Colin Barker's name on something critical.

 

[Pickman's model]

I never said Princess Diana was an oppressed, you did, so so explain how.

that's not quite what you said, is it?

She quite clearly did benefit from it, as does the rest of the ruling class, that's the point. You say she suffered from women's oppression, I would say her benefits quite clearly outweighed her losses. She did not suffer from women's oppression, in the same way the working class woman would. Point of fact. Which underlines the point that women's oppression is a class issue, which is the point at which many socialists part company with feminists on the analysis of women's oppression.

so what you're in fact saying is she DID suffer from women's oppression.

 

[Pickman's model]

ResistanceMP3 that's shut you up

 

[TremulousTetra]

ResistanceMP3 that's shut you up

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/swp-expulsions-and-squabbles.303876/page-453#post-12630129

 

[Pickman's model]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/swp-expulsions-and-squabbles.303876/page-453#post-12630129

see #13625 in particular the highlighted section of your post.

 

[laptop]

see #13625

"And ninthly..."

 

[discokermit]

i took rmp3 off ignore just, as the thread was becoming unreadable.
i now regret it.
why do people continue to argue with him? he's a fucking idiot. you're completely wasting your time.

 

[Pickman's model]

i took rmp3 off ignore just, as the thread was becoming unreadable.
i now regret it.
why do people continue to argue with him? he's a fucking idiot. you're completely wasting your time.

i like giving him a kick now and again, that's why.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

i took rmp3 off ignore just, as the thread was becoming unreadable.
i now regret it.
why do people continue to argue with him? he's a fucking idiot. you're completely wasting your time.

amen

 

[Pickman's model]

perhaps we should all put rmp3 on ignore. 'like' this post to show you've done that.

 

[discokermit]

i like giving him a kick now and again, that's why.

it's like kicking a man made of shit. you end up with shit everywhere.

 

[discokermit]

perhaps we should all put rmp3 on ignore. 'like' this post to show you've done that.

this is your most cunning 'like' harvest yet. bravo!

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Can you stop slagging rmp3 for a min to discuss how shit the oppo statement was? No confidence in their own politics that's why they will lose.

 

[discokermit]

Can you stop slagging rmp3 for a min to discuss how shit the oppo statement was? No confidence in their own politics that's why they will lose.

what have you got to say about the amy leather faction, you know, the undeclared one, which the cc are accomodating to?

 

[barney_pig]

Can you stop slagging rmp3 for a min to discuss how shit the oppo statement was? No confidence in their own politics that's why they will lose.

You swapped callinicos for Andy Newman, and you accuse the opposition of lacking confidence in their politics?

 

[Red Cat]

Can you stop slagging rmp3 for a min to discuss how shit the oppo statement was? No confidence in their own politics that's why they will lose.

What is their own politics?

 

[emanymton]

Can you stop slagging rmp3 for a min to discuss how shit the oppo statement was? No confidence in their own politics that's why they will lose.

And the CC will win? what exactly?

 

[Das Uberdog]

rmp3 at least takes on the discussions put forward to him. i don't think his posts warrant the derision shown on here

 

[Red Cat]

I think that's right actually. And at least he takes the time to explain what he thinks to people, doesn't do drop in and tease posts, or just attack without explaining what his own thoughts are.

 

[butchersapron]

Long years of experience with him is what's driving those reactions.

 

[SpineyNorman]

It isn't for no reason that rmp3 gets the response he does on here - he doesn't even attempt to understand the points others make or respond to them honestly.

 

[Red Cat]

It isn't for no reason that rmp3 gets the response he does on here - he doesn't even attempt to understand the points others make or respond to them honestly.

I get the impression that he does, but he seems stuck, as though the SWP perspective is so obvious after all these years it's hard to see another way. Although he also loves to think that he can wind you all up. Is it a mix or all just wind up?

I guess he could just be 100% twat.