SWP expulsions and squabbles
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tenniselbow
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
As the Independent are making it hard to grab pics:
discokermit
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no way! two people wearing specs and a ben sherman red gingham shirt! i bet hardly anyone wears glasses and buys red gingham ben shermans, even though it is pretty much ben shermans signature range.Took butchers' comment as light-hearted jest-making. Then I googled:
The39thStep
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tenniselbow
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Have to say I am unfamiliar with Sherman's range, disco. I did think was uncanny though.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Rumours that we are a robotic cult are pure sectarian bileAs the Independent are making it hard to grab pics:
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Compulsory uniform?
discokermit
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go to any northern soul night anywhere in the country this weekend, i bet you'll see a few shirts exactly the same worn by forty somethings who haven't got a clue who martin smith is.
bolshiebhoy
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Me and the mrs wear the same rugby shirt all the time but we're not clones either 
On more serious matters the ISN had its first formal get together today. Minutes of motions passed to follow apparently. International observers from the ISO present.
On more serious matters the ISN had its first formal get together today. Minutes of motions passed to follow apparently. International observers from the ISO present.
tenniselbow
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Fair play, disco. Sadly I've never had the opportunity to go a northern soul night.
discokermit
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it's never too late.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
ISN passes motion to hold a festival event within a year.
J Ed
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Not enough nous or talent to build anything, more than enough to strangle worthwhile seeming projects at birth.
tenniselbow
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bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Lol theres an idea but no need they've been tweeting all day with updates.Does the Guardian have a live feed, Bolshie?
tenniselbow
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Ah right. I need to get up to speed with Twitter.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
An opportunity to takeover the hinterland?
tenniselbow
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This contribution from Mieville on the ISN blog is pretty good. The style is a little overwrought, as is usual with China's pieces in my experience. But he makes some good points about a Marxist psychology and the simplistic and atheoretical nature of the loyalists' positions and critiques. Though it seems to me that psychology has always been one of Marxism's weakest areas. I'd be interested to hear others' views on this, though maybe I should take it to the theory board. Funny too that he critiques the CC for being ignorant of the scholarly discipline of social psychology. From what I've read, which is a fair bit, it is a most scientistic and reductionist discipline; not much use for Marxists I think. Also, I think some of his comments bear on the discussion of theories of patriarchy and violence further up the thread.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
breaking news before informatin has been given to the membership! Isnt that an expellable offense?
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Its ok its the official ISNetwork account
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
They have a proper website up now as well.Me and the mrs wear the same rugby shirt all the time but we're not clones either
On more serious matters the ISN had its first formal get together today. Minutes of motions passed to follow apparently. International observers from the ISO present.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
The cult of the personality is apparent already.
A couple of pieces relevant to this thread:
First the SP has issued a letter (slightly redacted apparently) to Sarah Mayo about her allegations:
http://www.socialistpartywales.org.uk/HSletter-SM10-04-13.pdf
The Mieville article got a response here:
http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/comrades-crises-and-cults.html
First the SP has issued a letter (slightly redacted apparently) to Sarah Mayo about her allegations:
http://www.socialistpartywales.org.uk/HSletter-SM10-04-13.pdf
The Mieville article got a response here:
http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/comrades-crises-and-cults.html
oskarsdrum
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I enjoyed China's piece too, tenniselbow, although the general conclusions seemed a bit underdeveloped thanks to the focus on SWP practice. I'd say the weird idealism of loyalists in this debate is well observed though! There's far too much about 'consciousness' without usually examining what processes (re)produce particular consciousnesses - for example the functionalism of the classic IS 'capital needs the family therefore women are oppressed' position. The Rupture thinking on class unity rings true as well! There's an interesting discussion on this by Bensaid - http://www.marxists.org/archive/bensaid/2006/08/polstrat.htm - though maybe a little 'statist' for some tastes.....
"[Professor] Alex’s transitional approach halts at the threshold of the question of power. This would be left to be resolved by some unconvincing deus ex machina, supposedly by a spontaneous tidal wave of the masses and a generalised outburst of soviet democracy. "
As an aside, Jerry Hicks managed a creditable 36% minority support in the Unite GS election - http://www.iansunitesite.org.uk/2013/04/unite-election-result-out-len-won-but.html?m=1 . Seems to be an improvement on the 2010 result from his point of view. I'm surprised he managed as much as this with the swappies as major backers, does he have a wider support base than I'd imagined? Presumably the loyalists will take some heart from that result anyway. Even if other factors like the absence of a challenge from the right will have encouraged a 'Len's-feet-to-the-fire' vote. So either the SWP are so irrelevant they don't even matter for their chosen candidate, or alternately, they still can still make an impact in Britain's biggest union....wonder who they'll ally with outside the broad left group. Think it's good that LMcC won but without overwhelming support anyway, don't want him feeling too comfortable on that fat salary!!
"[Professor] Alex’s transitional approach halts at the threshold of the question of power. This would be left to be resolved by some unconvincing deus ex machina, supposedly by a spontaneous tidal wave of the masses and a generalised outburst of soviet democracy. "
As an aside, Jerry Hicks managed a creditable 36% minority support in the Unite GS election - http://www.iansunitesite.org.uk/2013/04/unite-election-result-out-len-won-but.html?m=1 . Seems to be an improvement on the 2010 result from his point of view. I'm surprised he managed as much as this with the swappies as major backers, does he have a wider support base than I'd imagined? Presumably the loyalists will take some heart from that result anyway. Even if other factors like the absence of a challenge from the right will have encouraged a 'Len's-feet-to-the-fire' vote. So either the SWP are so irrelevant they don't even matter for their chosen candidate, or alternately, they still can still make an impact in Britain's biggest union....wonder who they'll ally with outside the broad left group. Think it's good that LMcC won but without overwhelming support anyway, don't want him feeling too comfortable on that fat salary!!
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It's a mix of solid supporters for him and some 'get rid of McLuskey at any cost' people. Both of them improved their vote by about 50%.
Last times results were:
1. Len McCluskey, 101,000 votes (42%)
2. Jerry Hicks, 53,000 votes (22%)
3. Les Bayliss, 47,000 votes (19%)
4. Gail Cartmail, 39,000 votes (16%)
So deffo a good result for Hicks
muscovyduck
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They don't.
audiotech
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Lasts more than a night.
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