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articul8 said:
Clearly the future lies with a few dozen Leninist die-hards. This game doesn't get very far.
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It's not a game. You've been asked about these important "tactical" considerations pretty straightforwardly a bunch of times now, and on each occasion you've danced around answering. A cynic might suggest that the only tactical considerations in play are more to do with your employment strategy than that guff about working class interests.
 
it is so obvious it barely needs an answer - to reinforce an oppositional pole of attraction in the only organisation to which millions can look to boot out the hated coalition parties, and engage in battle over how far Labour will impose its own brand of austerity or develop an alternative, building the influence and credibility of anti-austerity politics in the process. Of course this means linking up from the start with all the extra-parliamentary forces already opposing austerity.
 
articul8 said:
it is so obvious it barely needs an answer - to reinforce an oppositional pole of attraction in the only organisation to which millions can look to boot out the hated coalition parties, and engage in battle over how far Labour will impose its own brand of austerity or develop an alternative, building the influence and credibility of anti-austerity politics in the process. Of course this means linking up from the start with all the extra-parliamentary forces already opposing austerity.
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It's so delusional that an answer serves mainly to reveal the lack of thought at work.

What "oppositional pole of attraction"? There isn't one. The Labour left is a barely twitching corpse. What "battle"? The one that was comprehensively lost decades ago? Through what structures? Those that have been abolished. With what forces? Imaginary ones. We'd get as much sense trying to argue strategy with the voice dial function on a smartphone.
 
I'd say that Labour lefts like McDonnell, Owen Jones and McCluskey have rather more influence and weight in terms of shifting the terms of debate than the likes of Taaffe and Sell.
 
articul8 said:
I'd say that Labour lefts like McDonnell, Owen Jones and McCluskey have rather more influence and weight in terms of shifting the terms of debate than the likes of Taaffe and Sell.
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Good fucking God. Seriously? This is what your "tactics" come down to? You have an irrelevant backbencher, a cherubic journalist and a union bureaucrat on your side? Do they let you clean their shoes?
 
you care to dispute my assertion they have more influence and weight in terms of shifting the terms of debate than your own sect? Whose latest electoral vehicle managed to poll slightly less than half the vote of the Monster Raving Looney's at the last parliamentary by-election? Seriously?
 
articul8 said:
you care to dispute my assertion they have more influence and weight in terms of shifting the terms of debate than your own sect? Whose latest electoral vehicle managed to poll slightly less than half the vote of the Monster Raving Looney's at the last parliamentary by-election? Seriously?
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The mad thing is that despite their connections and in one case leadership of a massive organisation they do not currently have any more power to shift the debate than the leaders of a tiny and slightly nutty extremist group
 
This thread has turned overwhelmingly personal. I know that's just an observation and my only interest is friends who are members still or fellow travellers.
Maybe a separate thread on sexism and the left?
 
The SWP has started posting on LU sites, arguing the 'internal labour left' will be the key pole of attraction for those who want to challenge austerity, a line direct from the Prof

oh, and they are already attending nascent Left Unity meetings, which is the kiss of death, imo..
 
articul8 said:
Ok, but clearly the complainant is extremely angry about the way her complaint has been handled, such that she has resigned from the party and denounced the AGS who she had trusted to deal with the matter appropriately. Shouldn't people listen to what she has to say (before concluding that everything has been/is being handled properly)?
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Yes. Why on earth would you think that is not what has happened? No conclusion has yet been reached.
 
Naming a networkuscule:

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http://stephaniemcmillan.org/2009/11/27/employ-dialectical-materialism/
 
That piece is seriously weird. What could the Indy possibly gain from it?? It's like interviewing James Murdoch and not asking about phone hacking!

Could Orr be planning a more fundamental detoxification though, through the only way the CC knows - culling the clowns at the heart of it all? Kimber and Callinicos? How about it? Big gambit it's true but they got shot of Rees for less.....
 
oskarsdrum said:
That piece is seriously weird. What could the Indy possibly gain from it?? It's like interviewing James Murdoch and not asking about phone hacking!

Could Orr be planning a more fundamental detoxification though, through the only way the CC knows - culling the clowns at the heart of it all? Kimber and Callinicos? How about it? Big gambit it's true but they got shot of Rees for less.....
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Yeah it's amazing no mention was made. Reads like a real puff piece. Definitely targeting the Indy readers as the acceptable face of revolutionary socialism.
 
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