articul8
Dishonest sociopath
That's a very good question - the amount of outsourcing of previously public sector work is going to hammer national pay bargaining and effectiveness of unions at a natonal level.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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oskarsdrum
Active Member
prediction. 2016 sees the remaining SWP remnants pursuing an entryist strategy into Workers Power, adopting the moniker International Left Opposition.
This is massively overstated to some extent - unions like Unite, Usdaw, and the GMB have dealt with this for years, and even Unison do in large areas (for instance every district council and most over local councils in the South East are outside national terms) - and they're aware of this change, and will probably handle fairly well.
No the real challenge is to balance the need to be seen to do something to make things better for their members with the need not to be seen as too militant and alienating to potential members (or employers with whom they might get voluntary agreements) - and that's somthing they've been trying to tackle for quite some time now with only limited and patchy success through the organising agenda (see the TUC's organising academy etc).
There's a book just out recently called Union Voices by Ed Heery, Jane Holgate, and Melanie Sims which has quite a good analysis of this.
Oh Noes....
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Just to add to Spanky's reply to you, at grass roots level I predict that members will be making personal financial decisions about where they spend their 10-15 quid a month; and they might well save in anticipation of funding legal/quasi legal advice & ET deposits - or alternatively ramp up insurance payments instead once the ins companies see that opening and start providing extended cover as part of home insurance.
part of the Warwick deal was that they, the Unions, would not challenge NL's welfare reforms..
Why there is no suggestion that I've seen that any of the unions are not going to pay for their member's legal support and ET claims? If anything the new charges if used correctly by the unions should be an added incentive to join
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which shows exactly what they will be prepared to swallow once again in the future.
oskarsdrum
Active Member
maybe the IWW has a better chance of organising (ironically) post-industrial workers? there's a branch just started meeting In my area. Could be better placed than the bureaucracies to make use of social media ubiquity, economic crisis, and the occupy effect. though I doubt they've organised far outside their ideological supporters as yet. gwan the wobs!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
What do you mean by "used correctly"?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
They're in disarray at the moment though, no?
oskarsdrum
Active Member
cesare, is that right, well shows how much I know!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
still recovering from the post john lewis split? that was ages ago...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Not necessarily! I haven't spent any time seriously finding out. There's a separate thread that takes it up to the split over the cleaners, then anecdotally the original IWW (as opposed to the splitters
) haven't been answering membership queries via email since. That might be a distorted perception based on my very small sample of anecdotal evidence, though.Well, point out to workers that if they're not in a union they'll have to fork out large sums of the folding stuff to ever have a chance of challenging an unfair dismissal for instance
Not necessarily! I haven't spent any time seriously finding out. There's a separate thread that takes it up to the split over the cleaners, then anecdotally the original IWW (as opposed to the splitters
It seems (also based on anecodotal evidence admittedly) that in London at least the IWGB are now the bigger and more "successful" or at least visable group compared to the IWW who seem to have vanished off the scene, probably because most of the grunt work in the London IWW was being done by the people that split off.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Has been every other time it's been used. They always cave in.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No chanceOr listed as a prospective parliamentary candidate.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
...unless he moves to the right. A radical past has never been an obstacle to climbing the New Labour career ladder, as long as you put childish things aside. Of course, there are behind the scenes career opportunities too, as well as the MP route.
It's not his radical past that is the problem, more his apparent lack of political nous or strategic or analytical thought
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
By chance I had an email rom the IWW asking me to renew my membership.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
That is also not necessarily a problem. The calibre of prospective MPs is rather mixed. The behind the scenes jobs often require a bit more sense, mind you. You don't need a lot of strategic or analytical sharpness to be a backbencher, although you do need the ability to network and a streak of ruthless personal ambition.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
That would mean the unions paying the deposits, having a way of clawing back deposits from the members in the event of a successful claim or settlement, or being prepared to lose the deposit in the case of an unsuccessful claim/s.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You are having a laugh aren't you?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
I was thinking of its impact on some of the more militant public sector unions like PCS or NUT which have been very reliant on a national bargaining model.
Not terribly reassured by the idea that they can handle it by becoming more like USDAW - useless seven days a week!
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